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Ronin

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  4. Has Anyone Tried Submersing The SuperOcean?

    in The Breitling Area

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    Any ideas on where to get a rep pressure tested? I went by a local watch shop yesterday and inquired about a service and what the $ would be. He said between $200.00 and $300.00. I was stunned.

    That is insane. Most places do it for free, if you buy something, or the most I have seen was $35. If you are in the CONUS, find a "Fast Fix It" type of place at the mall.

  7. What do "you" expect from Reps ?

    in General Discussion

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    But are they definitely gens? I know people who could easily afford to be wearing gens, but they wear reps... Might you be assuming that they're all gens just because of the status of the owners? As before, I'm curious as to what repercussions there might actually be if someone was discovered wearing a rep in the circles you describe. I mean, at work, people know who you are, what you do, and to a degree, what you earn, so would it really be so bad? And at a neighbourhood barbeque, it's not like someone is going to accuse you of being too poor to buy the real thing when they live right next door :D

    Sorry to take us away from the OP, but just a quick follow up to TeeJay. Again this is all situational.

    Trust me they are gens, I have spent enough time here and starring at macro shots. I know someone with genuine Picaso Paintings hanging on their wall. Walking into a high end AD/Jewler for them is like most people walking into Wal-Mart.

    As to repercussions, let me just give you a couple of examples. Lets say you are a big corporate lawyer, or financial guy/broker. You sit across the table from lots of people everyday. To say all these people across from you are "ignorant" and won't spot a rep is naive. (I spot reps everyday because I am a WIS, my wife spots reps everyday, and she is NOT a WIS, go figure). That said, if the person across from you happens to know a thing or two about timepieces and spots it as a rep/fake-- do you really think that will reflect well on you? Could you imagine a customer loosing trust in you/a company because they spotted a fake? Would you risk loosing a $100,000 deal over a $200 vs $5000 watch? Heck, I would have more respect for a "frugal" business guy wearing a simple fashion plate watch like a Kenneth Cole. (While this scenario does not apply to me, do you see where I am going here?)

    One more example, I have on occasion flown on the corporate jet with CEOs, CFOs, CIOs, etc. Close corners for a few hours at a time. What do you think a bunch of rich dudes talk about? (Business, Women, Cars, Booze, WATCHES, Cigars, Golf, Sports, etc). While they might not notice-- It is not worth the chance. In that particular circle, I don't want be know as the guy with the fake watches, simple as that. Maybe overlooked next promotion time? Thus, my gen collection. :)

  11. What do "you" expect from Reps ?

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    @TJ and Jkay

    True, social situations should be accounted for in this hobby. Where I originally grew up, my Quartz powered Sub of Canal Street had the local yokals fooled back in 1986. Now, I live in a major metropolitan area where the NORM in my neighborhood is high end time pieces, -- mostly gen. At one dinner, at my local Sushi bar-- a glance down the bar revealed: (2 PAMs, 2 Breitlings, 1 Tag, 2 Rolex's). Also, many people are fashion conscious and are not totally ignorant and some even have a sort of sixth sense. My wife has an uncanny sense for spotting fakes just by the watches "presence" (sheen, crystal AR, etc). I also rub shoulders with "C" level executives on a regular basis. So, yes, I have somewhat of a slated perspective.

    +1 to what By-Tor said. We are fortunate with some of the quality we have today. My original list of expectations still stands.

  16. What do "you" expect from Reps ?

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Just to give another element to the discussion, I know people have sometimes accused folks of wanting to wear a rep to pass it off as genuine. I'd like to offer this flipside to that feeling: It's nice to wear a watch which flys under the radar. Something that simply doesn't attract attention or scrutiny. Such a watch would never be passed off as genuine if noticed, but the chance of such a watch being noticed, is just not going to happen because of the watch being a 'sleeper'. I wouldn't say that was the same as wanting a flawless rep to be able to pass it off as gen, but certainly a 'related topic' :)

    For a little bit of healthy debate on this one, I have to think you are the exception TJ. I don't think a replica, especially a bad one, "flys under the radar". ???

    If more people thought like you do, or 'really' believed they are just in it for the basic design aesthetic, then the Debaufre's, Invicta's, and "Homage" watches would fill / satisfy the need. (There are a lot of Submariner clones out there from quality makers, even Seiko has a very close example)

    I own close to a 50/50 ratio of gen to rep. In my circles, getting called out could have serious repercussions. That said, I know when to wear a gen, or 'Super'. At the same time, I like having my BK Black Face Explorer II to compliment my Gen White Face. Building my 1680, DRSD, gives me satisfaction from a hobby perspective, and these make great weekend / non-social day watches.

    To be flat out honest, yeah, if I am wearing a rep, I am trying to present the illusion of gen.

    (To the original point, I do NOT expect perfection from a replica, and people who do clearly need to reset their expectations. Agreed)

  19. What do "you" expect from Reps ?

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Like Lani, my perspective has changed over the years.

    I still have a Sub Rep that is now 14 years old, with a still running Miyota movement, that I wore almost daily -- ignorant to its flaws until I found RWG. In many ways being knowledgeable now has ruined me for the lesser quality stuff. Ignorance ~was~ bliss for me and reps between 1986-2008.

    My current expectations are simple:

    1.) Watch is mechanically sound, or at least "Zig/Self Serviceable".

    2.) Watch has no more than 3 overt tells, while on the wrist, from arms length. (To be honest, I go for plausible these days)

    3.) (Optionally, but ideally) the watch can accept some gen parts, or will lend itself to modification if need be.

    4.) Price, for me, is linked to the overall accuracy. The more accurate, the more $ I am willing to spend.

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