For the watches indicated by the OP, By-Tor's review is, as far as I am concerned, the last word on the subject. Of course, you must ALWAYS take a reviewer's opinions with a grain of salt, because his sensitivities & preferences may not mirror yours. The line, 1 man's trash is another man's treasure, should always be kept in mind when reading a rep watch review.
Do YOUR homework (learn as much as you can about the specific gen watch you are interested in) & then begin the search for your best rep.