Stephane

Thanks for that. If you have time one of these days, maybe you could post a photo of it for those, like me, who have less experience in movements ?

I did not take new photos but tried to show the differences. - The two first one are from a Tissot, no question of course, this is the original factory 2836-2 custom made for that brand, Tissot. - The third one is from a rep with a genuine Eta as long as I know. It's a OEM sold by the ETA factory for brands not belonging to the "Swatch Group". - The fourth one is from a rep with a clone...This has nothing to do with the ETA factory obviously. I tried to highlight the fact that the wheels are the most obvious tell. Of course, if we want to compare the stamps I should take the exact same pictures from the same distance and angle of all the movements. But it wouldn't be very helping as much as the wheels though... NOTE: just realized that the third movement was NOT carrying any markings on the left of the 2836-2 engraving...

In my opinion yes as I'm not able to spot anything else but some are more qualified than me. If you take a look at the Tissot & Explo (roll your mouse over the photos to see the file names) they look smooth where the DeepSea is not ... But then, if you (I) do not have both handy you might not able to tell.

Chinese "Eta" do have the stamping. From what I noticed, but hey we're not in the perfect world where everything can be 100% true, the genuine Eta (Swiss) have their Eta logo stamped slightly more under the wheel. See the pictures here under. I'm pretty confident about the fact that there are no rules because I have a Tissot with a 2836-2 and the stamp seems different from other Etas.... I personally prefer to consider my reps have all fake Etas so I'm not disappointed ;-) I also do not buy genuine Etas from our TD...the Chinese ones work perfectly well. For eagle eye experts, and I'm not, the probable way to spot a fake from a real is the finish of the wheels which seem to have smoother edges than the CN ones. It seem obvious on my Deep Sea (first and last picture).

Indeed. Specially for a non contributing member who I personally warned several time. We'll see what the team decide but in my humble opinion this is one too much. theoanast

Yes, welcome and bye bye !

Theoanast, As you say you are a simple member...so why should we let you post a sale ? Posting in the topic of someone else is also extremely rude. Consider you warned and stop doing this. Become a supporting member. For the staff, Stephane

Oh, no God. I'm so sorry to hear that. Let's have thoughts for him and his.

HappyNiversaire !

I'm very sorry for your loss Micky.

Can't find words...

Once again, our thoughts are with you and yours. It's a terrible experience to loose a mum. It's even worse to see her decline and approach the inevitable. I will not pray as I'm no believer but I will multiply my thoughts of you and her. Warm regards, Stephane

Thanks a lot for your input guys...! It confirms what I suspected

I feel terrible when I read/hear such news. This isn't different and as usual, words are not helping. My thoughts are with you and yours. Stephane

I'll post photos of my bruises tomorrow first thing

I'll punish myself tonight ... and ask my girlfriend do it That should be hurting but ....gooooood

Oh, sorry to have interrupted your love affair with Beach

I never drink beer...only red wine

Keep calm and have a beer

Sorry mate. This is an open forum and community. You should accept comments from other members in my humble opinion. I read the comments and cannot disagree that trying to put the ultimate list of tells is for sure not something that has been done before because....it's simply impossible. Reps are coming in soooo many versions (from V1 to VXX) ! All have tells, not the same ones on each version. All the best, Stephane

But, I would like to add that so far my Tissot, Explorer II with gen ETA and my DeepSea with Clone ar all running perfectly well. So, is it worth going the extra money? Not sure anymore...

Now, here is the Tissot

I checked my genuine ones and I can tell you guys it's quite easy to spot, and still confusing. That said, the pics of the movement on top of this threat are 100% from a clone. The gen Eta has very smooth wheels and,...which is a surprise once again, although not new information, the logo is poisoned on the movement like it's bitten by the plates. My reference is my Tissot PRS which is a genuine 2836-2 of course. Pics of a genuine one installed by Andy in my Noob Explorer.