Watchmeister

Hmmm! I may see a Titanium refinishing pen in my future.

Randy- Looks great (per usual). Did you do anything with the caseback? PS I just picked up the AP Foundation from Thomas with the better bracelet. Hmm! By the way I agree - 8, 0 and 4.

Definitely not an MBW. You are going to need a chisel on those crown guards (I saw in your earlier thread that you have dremel and swiss files coming). Do these non-MBW's fit genuine parts easily?

You are going to be having alot of fun. Can't wait to see your handiwork and the upcoming MBW's.

On the 222 and 228 they are 2004/2005 issues so it is unlikely. I have not seen the gens though. This is a 2006 and new model issue (i.e. the future of PAM automatic reps).

Yes and no. They are not all the same but in general the CG's are changing on the designated new model automatics. The newer daylights (250 and 251), 200 series GMT (244) and 200 series Power Reserve (241) with crown guards introduced this year have centered levers ala the historics. The models that are still in production but are previously introduced models do not adjust the crown guard. The standard subs (24 and 25) are old cg's. At some point either the rep makers are going to have to make a second cg or someone else will have to make aftermarket ones.

Chieftang- Good decision. Did you go for black or white dial?

Wearing mine as we speak. You should polish it if you get a chance. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=11175

Date Font is an issue that can only be solved watch by watch. Different folks are working on various datewheels for movements in the current Rolex and Panerai models. My hope would be AP is next. But I am not aware of any TAG projects going on at the moment. If date fonts drive you crazy stick with no-date watches or ones where there is a date solution available.

Eddie- I love that watch. The titanium is fabulous. The bezel will be very difficult though. It is far more sophisticated than any other bezel put out on the PAM's. I can't remember if the markers are white gold on the gen but at a minimum the markers will have to be true polished stainless steel as the current methodology of chrome over copper will be scratched off the bezel markers which overhang the sides in no time otherwise. Everything else, case, he valve, crystal, etc. (other than no quickset date button) is largely the same as the 187. In general if you can get someone to make this in Titanium you have a winner. The new Asian 7750 will be fine since it is date only. Good luck.

Arch- You are asking for it.

The watchmaster strap and true Pre-V are the softest straps I have. The PAV is still waiting on either a 28 or 004 which are being sent off for coating shortly.

Thanks guys. Straps are part of the PAM fun - both reps and gens.

You're not getting older, just wiser.

If you are a vintage man and Rollies are your thing MBW's are the best. If vintage PAM's are your thing look for Watchmaster.

Following V's lead, here is the better part of my PAM strap collection: OEM Pre-V: OEM Pre-V (truly Pre V) - From when men were men and women were afraid: Needless to say it is soft as butter. Rolexfinder Pre-V: Pretty darn fantastic for reps. Old School Dirk Incursore with Custom Buckles - none of this two loop crap: Mario Paci and Strapmasters: Watchmaster Distressed Straps - Need I say more: OEM PAV 90 - now that is PVD: MF 1842 - Great strap but that crystal sure needs AR: And this tour would not be complete without my most recent acquisitions from V (Look and feel great but I need buckles): All the best, Kruz

If they are all two crystals than I would want mine to delaminate. Serioulsy, if they do separate then I could attach one of the watchmen cyclops onto the top crystal, chuck the lower crystal with imbedded cyclops and get proper magnification. Is there a methodology to separate the two crystals and would the dial remain firmly in place?

I had thought the conclusion was that not all 117's were sapphire but that the "fourth generation" which had that case number were the only ones that had true sapphire crystals.

Please post the results of trying to transfer the cross. My second gen is being lumed as we speak and I have been eager to transfer the cross from my 40mm but was not willing to take the risk of ruining the dial.

Inkjet? Look again. That is 1:1 of a gen datewheel. Ever tried to get a gen datewheel? Ubi might give up his...for 800 euros.

Great pics and sounds like a blast. You have a good woman there.

There are only two factories making this and unless something has changed you are right. The first factory has the polished bezel and crown guard. Unfortunately they are also the only ones with a 7753 version.

Nice pics and a well thought out collection.

Big congrats. If Powermax related to quality of posts and helpfulness to members on this forum Randy would be one of 3-4 people who deserve this title. Am I right saying that RWG.cc has raised the standard from 2000 on the old RWG to 2500 posts?

I think that is version 2 from the second factory before they corrected the bezel spelling. Only two factories make this model. This was true on the 196/188 and the new inferior version did not come out until the first factory stopped production. In fact, I am convinced there are basically two factories which make the majority, if not all. higher end PAM rep models and one factory is better than the other. But as long as we are at it if anyone including dealers are aware of version 2 in a 7753 please let us know. The original version 7753 188/196 are some of my favorite PAM reps. The movements are fabulous and, in spite of inevitable small flaws, aesthetically and mechanically are fabulous timepieces. MJP- Of course we all share your frustration. There are no perfect reps other than gens. That is why they cost 10-15% of gen price. Take that as a given. For a number of folks here part of the fun of this hobby is trying to make the reps as good as they can be. By the way there are professional designers working on various projects using Vector graphics and other professional applications as we speak. Be it datewheels, dials, crowns, etc. Even with the best of general knowledge relating to design, printing, fabrication what is missing is the experienced manpower and dedicated equipment. Crowns, dials, datewhweels are made on dedicated machines. A number of folks can tell you of very funny experiences trying to get someone who doesn't make watch parts for a living to make something exactly correct - the exact bevel on a crown or the layout of a datewheel. etc.