vlydog Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 On the road to a 1665 build. This time around I am not sure I have the budget to spring for a Phong case but I do have an older case from MBW. How many of you have a watch built with a MBW case that has a 1570 inside? I have heard that this can be done but have read some conflicting reports. Please share links or photos too. I really appreciate your help. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabularasa415 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I have an old school 1665 MBW case that I know will accept a gen movement. It really depends on what era your MBW case is from. Mine is from the the era of Maria making them, and he's long since passed on. I believe the story goes that one of his family members took over and the cases aren't quite nearly as good and then they shared that design with someone else and that's how you get the MBK, which is basically the modern MBWs mass-replicated... there are other members much better versed in all of this than myself. For my build, I thought a little about getting a 1570 movement, but my thoughts on that are this: go big, or go home -- meaning -- buy the Phong case set to go with the 1570 movement and all of that, or, do what I did (for your first big and slightly costly project) and drop a 2846 slow-beating movement in your MBW case (so now you can keep your dial and hands) and spend the money you've saved on movement, dial and hands on having it lumed the way you'd like, having the case softened, lugs drilled, bracelet polished out and oiled, etc. If I'm going to spend the money on a 1570 movement, I want a case that doesn't have a well-known fake serial etched in to it. I want it to be genkin. (Genkin = So Frankin that no one will know but me and a few select nerds) Then, if you do all of that, and you fall madly in love with having that watch on your wrist, consider saving up for the Phong case set and movement like I'm currently doing Just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 freddy333 comes to mind- I know he put a 1570 movt in his MBW case, also drilled and installed a working HE valve. Might of had to mod the case around the 9 o'clock side to get things to fit- a little dremel work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I only own two MBW's. I have the blue snowflake... swiss eta, Yuki dial/hands lumed by pbad, gen T19,gen crown and it's at Jmb's getting it's caseback engraved as we speak. And I am also having my new MBW 1665 case filled with a swiss 2846, my Ingod white rail dial, gen T39 (flatter service), gen crown..also as we speak at Jmb's I'm really wanting a Phong case set too. I want to build a 5512 or 5513 with one.. and have been shopping dials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 so for an extra $1000 you get a case with a custom serial number and one that fits a gen movement that keeps COSC time, much like any 2846 can. must be one hell of a case... hope the cgs dont need fussing for that price. it should be noted stainless steel costs around $5/lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 mind racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 mind racing Don't you mean "Hmmmm" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 oh yeah, I forgot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJGladeRaider Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 His is the old Maria case - I got it from him back in the day when I wa sone of his best customers. It should make a real fine watch. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
correctime Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I have an old school 1665 MBW case that I know will accept a gen movement. It really depends on what era your MBW case is from. Mine is from the the era of Maria making them, and he's long since passed on. I believe the story goes that one of his family members took over and the cases aren't quite nearly as good and then they shared that design with someone else and that's how you get the MBK, which is basically the modern MBWs mass-replicated... there are other members much better versed in all of this than myself. For my build, I thought a little about getting a 1570 movement, but my thoughts on that are this: go big, or go home -- meaning -- buy the Phong case set to go with the 1570 movement and all of that, or, do what I did (for your first big and slightly costly project) and drop a 2846 slow-beating movement in your MBW case (so now you can keep your dial and hands) and spend the money you've saved on movement, dial and hands on having it lumed the way you'd like, having the case softened, lugs drilled, bracelet polished out and oiled, etc. If I'm going to spend the money on a 1570 movement, I want a case that doesn't have a well-known fake serial etched in to it. I want it to be genkin. (Genkin = So Frankin that no one will know but me and a few select nerds) Then, if you do all of that, and you fall madly in love with having that watch on your wrist, consider saving up for the Phong case set and movement like I'm currently doing Just my .02 "Genkin"...now that's a twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azgjav Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) my own build 3-4 years ago. mbw 5513 case, shapped CGs. gen crown and tube, gen crystal, gen 1570 movement, gen pearl, classicwatchparts insert, ndt dial and hands. another MBW 5513, same as above. gen everything cept for case, dial, hands and insert. got this at least 5 years ago, was built by someone else 2 years before. MBW case w reshaped cg, back case engravings softened. gen crown and tube, crystal, bezel insert and pearl, gen 1570, gen 93150 bracelet. rep dial and hands. i've since drilled out the fake HEV and installed a working yuki HEV and a display back. stock mbw 1680, i think.. Edited October 7, 2011 by azgjav 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 got this at least 5 years ago, was built by someone else 2 years before. MBW case w reshaped cg, back case engravings softened. gen crown and tube, crystal, bezel insert and pearl, gen 1570, gen 93150 bracelet. rep dial and hands. i've since drilled out the fake HEV and installed a working yuki HEV and a display back. Great photos; thanks! any HEV shots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ispytonyv Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) Hey guys, any advice on next steps with my inbound 1680? Old MBW 5513 case, listed w/spec: Case has drilled lugholes and adjusted CGs. Dial and hands are relumed (and glows) All work on the case and dial/hands was made by Ziegmeister. Gen parts: Tube, crown, crystal and bars. ... and the pics Edited October 7, 2011 by ispytonyv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giobo Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 You can't go wrong with the mbw case.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 so for an extra $1000 you get a case with a custom serial number and one that fits a gen movement that keeps COSC time, much like any 2846 can. must be one hell of a case.. I believe the preferred term is a "very special case". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted October 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I appreciate all the stories and photographs so far. From what I have learned, I have an older MBW case. At the moment my plans are to proceed with this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Hey guys, any advice on next steps with my inbound 1680? Old MBW 5513 case, listed w/spec: Case has drilled lugholes and adjusted CGs. Dial and hands are relumed (and glows) All work on the case and dial/hands was made by Ziegmeister. Gen parts: Tube, crown, crystal and bars. ... and the pics looks pretty good unless you want to get super picky clasp coronet is a tad large, the side of the clasp appears to be missing the indent over the micro size adjuster (looks like a PT clasp) insert appears to be a stock MBK with an ofrei pearl, you could always get a PMWF insert or gen im sure the bracelet is incorrect, as they all are. if you have more photos i could recommend more "tweaking", but as is it is pretty nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ispytonyv Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 looks pretty good unless you want to get super picky clasp coronet is a tad large, the side of the clasp appears to be missing the indent over the micro size adjuster (looks like a PT clasp) insert appears to be a stock MBK with an ofrei pearl, you could always get a PMWF insert or gen im sure the bracelet is incorrect, as they all are. if you have more photos i could recommend more "tweaking", but as is it is pretty nice Thanks for the reply! I'm still learning about these vintage Subs and don't know the ins & outs yet. About the insert, is this one obviously "off" to you? It was the only thing to me that caught my eye as not looking quite gen. Too domed? Incorrect color? Not sure what it is... Bracelet has incorrect endlinks but 580s were included. I might swap them, but maybe not. The current pair fit well. Here's one more shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creation88 Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 My gen 1680 with 93150 has 580 endlinks. One thing you do need to do when modding MBW cases is reduce the space between the crown and the body of the watch. Even with a gen crown and tube, that little 0.5mm step of metal is a big tell. The dials are great though - almost indistinguishable from the early T < 25 replacement dials (without a loupe of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 My gen 1680 with 93150 has 580 endlinks. One thing you do need to do when modding MBW cases is reduce the space between the crown and the body of the watch. Even with a gen crown and tube, that little 0.5mm step of metal is a big tell. The dials are great though - almost indistinguishable from the early T < 25 replacement dials (without a loupe of course). nah, ive seen plenty of 5513s and even tudors with that "step of metal" its really not that bad, some cases are worse than others also. observe: GEN GEN MBK not a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 nah, ive seen plenty of 5513s and even tudors with that "step of metal" its really not that bad, some cases are worse than others also. observe: GEN GEN MBK not a problem you can just slip that brown one in my package (awesome watches btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creation88 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 nah, ive seen plenty of 5513s and even tudors with that "step of metal" its really not that bad, some cases are worse than others also. observe: GEN GEN MBK not a problem I consider myself told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danza1812 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 you can just slip that brown one in my package (awesome watches btw) For a split second My filthy mind read that as: " you can slip your package in my brown one" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 The test-fit of my gen 1570 and 1665 service dial both fit my ol' MBW case just fine. Now if everything else is this simply, I will be very happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 The test-fit of my gen 1570 and 1665 service dial both fit my ol' MBW case just fine. Now if everything else is this simply, I will be very happy! good to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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