Justasgood Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 Please comment on the watch pictured here. I can only say that the bacelet links are rep. and the bezel assembly is gen like but I don't think it is genuine Although the insert is a new genuine insert. I will say that gen springbars fit nicely. On to the pics:
Guest zeleni kukuruz Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 Well if the case aint gen, then i would realy like to know where it came from!!!
watcher Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 Case and bezel don't look right to me. The sides of the case look too tall and the lug holes too near the edge but hard to tell 100% from the pics. I know profiles were different in the late 90's but just not sure. See what others think.
watcher Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 Actually just noticed the dial is wrong I think. Would it not be tritium?
Justasgood Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Posted February 29, 2012 Actually just noticed the dial is wrong I think. Would it not be tritium? Could be a service replacement. Lug holes seem to be right were they should be as the endlink fit is nice and the spring bars fit perfectly.
alligoat Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) I've got the A serial MBW (Euromariner) with drilled lugholes, I can check it tonight. It sure looks alot like the case you have there. A later Sub dial will fit the 3035 just fine and of course, you've got the old style DW w/ the open 9 in 29. My rep 93150 bracelet with the gen 501B ends fits my MBW case perfectly- I did drill the lugholes, of course. Edited February 29, 2012 by alligoat
Justasgood Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Posted February 29, 2012 3035 in a 16610 case? Red flag.....
alligoat Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 Yeh, if you can fit a 3035 in there, it's probably a rep case
Justasgood Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Posted February 29, 2012 Yeh, if you can fit a 3035 in there, it's probably a rep case Agreed, though the engravings between the lugs look very Gen.
omgiv Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 I am no expert but the crown guards look short and over polished, which doesn't really match the rest of the case. The engravings in thecaseback look sloppy as well. If it has a service dial, wouldn't it also have a newer style crown?
Justasgood Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Posted February 29, 2012 I am no expert but the crown guards look short and over polished, which doesn't really match the rest of the case. The engravings in thecaseback look sloppy as well. If it has a service dial, wouldn't it also have a newer style crown? Not all 1999 dials had "Swiss" only. Some had Swiss Made. The crown is a 703 triplock and depending on the watchmaker, it is probably correct.
DeeKa Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 The case engravings look excellent but as already commented the caseback ones are not as good. I also find the crown reaching too high up, at least it looks like this in the picture. Lugholes are fine for me. So I would vote for franken with gen case... Dee 1
simonporsche Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 If its mostly gen then what's the point of a franken? The case and movement are the parts normally rep in a franken.
alligoat Posted February 29, 2012 Report Posted February 29, 2012 The value is in the movement and the dial, and $100 for the insert. Movement and dial, maybe $1750-2000. Old style crown probably came with the movement
alligoat Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Well, I'm home and I looked at my MBW case and JAG's case is looking a lot better. The MBW has a SN of A845633, same Orig Rolex Design at 12 o'clock, but the case back gives it away- Monarch Polfy S.A., Gelena Shitinerand, Stainless Steel 16610. The other tell is the crown position- it's low on the MBW. JAG's watch has a high crown position. Does Rolex make a replacement case for the 16800? If this case has a shallow rehaut, then I can't help but wonder if they do. Or maybe it's like Tribal fitting a 2824-2 movement into a WM9 V2 case, maybe a 3035 will fit in a 16610 case- who knows... I like the crown position on the case and the sharp bezel teeth, and the CG's look fine to me.
correctime Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Swiss dial with drilled lug holes......? Possibly a transitional 16800...that would explain the 3035 and the open 6 and 9 DW. Wrong clasp for the bracelet. Can't really tell rehaut depth but the earlier 16800's have a noticably shallower rehaut than the 16610. If this is being sold as a gen I'd approach with caution and a few questions. And I agree...if that's a rep case (and I don't beieve it is) I'd sure like to know where it originated because that 3035 fits it as it should. Edited March 1, 2012 by correctime
correctime Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Umm...gee..duh...the case is engraved 16610...my bad.
Justasgood Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Posted March 1, 2012 Best I can do on the rehaut: I am thinking the Mid case is Gen. The caseback aftermarket. But it has the best feeling when it is screwed down and the rolex tool fits it perfectly.
correctime Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Well...I overlooked the case engravings of 16610...sorry. The case looks gen to me..the mvt. does too. Case back...maybe aftermarket...maybe not. But they did make the 16610 with that dial and DW, along with the holed A series case...around 1999-ish. If you're certain about the dial, hands, bezel and all, I'd say it's quite possible you have a gen 16610 A series from 1999. Approx. value...without papers/box...ballpark....3800.00 + Edited March 1, 2012 by correctime
Justasgood Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Posted March 1, 2012 If I can nail down all the bits and pieces, I will probably sell it around $2000.00. I just want to represent it correctly.
superlative Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 The seller swapped out the better 3135 for a 3035. Nothing else to say.
correctime Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 The seller swapped out the better 3135 for a 3035. Nothing else to say. Well said...and you're right. The 3035 replaced the 1570 around 1977-'78 or so. The 3135 replaced the 3035 about 10 years laters...this piece would have came with the 3135.
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