mymanmatt Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I'm not trying to fool anyone. But I would like to know if the majority think this is gen or aftermarket. I purchased these as genuine. The insert does snap into the bezel, and the bezel fits both gen and rep submariners. Opinions appreciated. Pics from my phone, best I can do. I don't know how you guys get some of the pics you get, but some of them are fantastic. After looking at several watches from 1981-2002, I conclude that over the years, many watches are serviced by independent jewelers, who are highly qualified to work on watches, including rolex. I am sure during that time many aftermarket parts were used, including aftermarket inserts ( easily damaged ) crystals, case tubes, gaskets etc. So my conclusion is, even though the watch is gen, after a period of time, it may have had aftermarket parts installed. The average consumer, not rwg members, doesn't care as long as the watch looks nice and performs well. However, with all that said www.ebay.com 271067851177 has the same 2 I think LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I really like the insert's texture but don't like the shape of the "2" in 20. Freddy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymanmatt Posted September 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 I looked at 4 supposed gen watches on ebay and a 100% gen insert. The 16610's had a pointy 4 and a different 2 than this one. Then I looked at 2 transitional subs, 1 had the same 2 and a flat 4, the other had the same 2 and a pointy 4.This stuff can drive you crazy. Thank you freddy for pointing that 2 out to me. Now Im even more confused! ^&%$$*^# I don't know anymore what's right or what's wrong. But I agree the 2 is suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 What rep Submariners does the bezel fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymanmatt Posted September 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 all of them in my cabinet. Marked 16610T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 all of them in my cabinet. Marked 16610T I did not know that. I'm not familiar with the 'T'. Is it the gen style crystal/retainer? Who carries that case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymanmatt Posted September 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Yes it is, and I don't know who carrys that case. I will have to ask the guy I got them from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irolexu Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 "T" indicates no holes case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 OK. I can have the holes drilled, so no problem. The 16570 Explorer case was reviewed to be used as a case with gen style bezel/crystal for a 16710 build. The 16610 would certainly work as a 16710, right? If this 'T' case has the gen style bezel/crystal then why would the 16570 be such a big deal and the 'finally a 16710 case' that BK wrote up? http://www.rwg.cc/topic/144657-making-a-gen-style-16710-case-out-of-a-16570-case-and-tw-bezel-assembly/page__pid__1089607#entry1089607 A 16610 case would make one less number to erase and re-engrave. I am confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irolexu Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Matt I have dozens of inserts if you need to compare to!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymanmatt Posted September 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Thank you guys, but no one has commented about the bezel. Can you tell from my crapy pic, if this looks gen. Today, with the quality of aftermarket parts available, who can really tell. I don't think one single person can really say if a part is gen or rep. Too many pros and cons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Your bezel is certainly gen-like construction. So at that point you basically have to trust the seller. Your insert looks ok- it's hard to tell from a pic, but if the pearl is good, it's probably gen. The fact that the bezel fits a gen sub should be good proof. I've never had an aftermarket bezel that I didn't have to massage to get to fit on a sub- i.e. sand and file so it wasn't so tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 OK. I can have the holes drilled, so no problem. The 16570 Explorer case was reviewed to be used as a case with gen style bezel/crystal for a 16710 build. The 16610 would certainly work as a 16710, right? If this 'T' case has the gen style bezel/crystal then why would the 16570 be such a big deal and the 'finally a 16710 case' that BK wrote up? http://www.rwg.cc/to...07#entry1089607 A 16610 case would make one less number to erase and re-engrave. I am confused! Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Joey, Certainly you could use a 16610 rep case and make a 16710. Is the sub case too thick? I don't know. Old GMTs used to be thinner cases- 6542, 1675- don't know with the modern ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I believe the 16610 and 16710 are the same thickness. What I want is a case that takes the gen bezel/crystal setup, as BK showed with the Super Lumed 16570 Explorer. I guess I'll go with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Here's a pic of a gen 16710 that I borrowed! It looks thinner than a 16610 to me, but I really doubt anyone would ever notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 About the closest to that angle from BK's thread, and it does look thicker to me: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyphion Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 I am interested in this also, so this is my 16570 converted to a GMT and TC Sub. The thickness looks pretty much the same to me. Which is pretty good news. Hope this helps Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Yep, it does. Now all I need do is find a 16570 case. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyphion Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Or a 16610 case with Gen construction. Those may be a little easier to come by. You have TC, Sean, Star time, etc. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 I know Star Time is not engraved between the lugs. I've not dealt with TC or Sean. Are theirs engraved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fidhle007 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Is no one going to comment on the 16610 and the 16570 CGs being completely different? And also, what's with the GMT thread jack all of a sudden?? To the OP: that's not a gen bezel or insert, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavidoc Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Is no one going to comment on the 16610 and the 16570 CGs being completely different? And also, what's with the GMT thread jack all of a sudden?? To the OP: that's not a gen bezel or insert, sorry. Agree. Not gen. 16610 and 16710 case profiles, retainers and bezels are the same but Cg's are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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