stevie7s Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 20% in a couple of months, not in one purchase. How many watches TOTAL will this manufacturer make of this particular watch, initially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 If you guys are buying 20% and not getting a price break than you are getting more screwed than us. i feel like speaking up here. posts like this are the very reason why dealers are hesitant to post on the boards. they try to provide updates & details and what do they get in return? somebody from across the globe telling them that they are "getting screwed" because they think they know the way these things work. @zetterdawg, i understand what you're getting at (ie. large customers have buying power and should be able to get price concessions), but who are you to tell the dealers here they are getting screwed? maybe you should offer to go to china as a consultant and tell them how to run their business? kudos to angus for letting the board be a part of making these watches better and keeping us informed about new developments, etc. hopefully he'll continue to do so, and do what he can to convince the maker that he will sell more watches and in the end make more profits if he lowers the prices on these high end replicas. i respect angus and the way he does business; i don't think he needs us telling him how to do his job. like angus said in an earlier post, it's in his interest as well that these new replicas be reasonably priced -- that way he can sell more and make higher profits too. deltatahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetterdawg Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 i feel like speaking up here. posts like this are the very reason why dealers are hesitant to post on the boards. they try to provide updates & details and what do they get in return? somebody from across the globe telling them that they are "getting screwed" because they think they know the way these things work. @zetterdawg, i understand what you're getting at (ie. large customers have buying power and should be able to get price concessions), but who are you to tell the dealers here they are getting screwed? maybe you should offer go to china as a consultant and tell them how to run their business? kudos to angus for letting the board be a part of making these watches better and keeping us informed about new developments, etc. hopefully he'll continue to do so, and do what he can to convince the maker that he will sell more watches and in the end make more profits if he lowers the prices on these high end replicas. i respect angus and the way he does business; i don't think he needs us telling him how to do his job. like angus said in an earlier post, it's in his interest as well that these new replicas be reasonably priced -- that way he can sell more and make higher profits too. deltatahoe I agree the comment was somewhat flippant. I also don't have any experience in the business model of the rep world. I apologize if I've hurt any feelings. What I do know is in life almost everything is negotiable. There are very few things you can't negotiate some sort of deal on. As you buy larger $$ values and more inventory those negotiations become more prevalent. It's just plain easier for a manufacturer to deal in larger volume with a limited number of buyers than split those sales across a lot of small volume dealers. That's why I find it extremely hard to believe that buying 20% of a manufacturer's stock won't trigger some sort of volume discount. I'm not going to apologize because I've purchased a fair number of watches and have NOT received what was advertised. Superlume, swiss movements. A whole lot of rubbish. I have no issue with Angus and I think he's been doing some smart business by involving the community in finding the flaws pre-production. Really, I don't think he would disagree with my assertation in the previous message. I'm NOT going to thank him for letting us help do THEIR jobs. Do you honestly think they can't spend 20 minutes looking at the rep and the gen they purchased and pick out the flaws? I would love to post my work to the internet, have 20 people correct it and thank me for giving them the opportunity. As far as I'm concerned they should be thanking us, especially if 80% of their sales are to the unwashed masses who are benefiting from our attention to detail without offering up any value of their own. How do we even know the manufacturer is setting the price? I'm not calling anyone out here, but see my previous sentence and look around on the board and see all the discussions on how to keep the dealers from misrepresenting the products. Or do we assume the products are ok to misrepresent, but it's not ok for the business dealers which are infinitely less prove-able? Maybe the rep business is really americans buying watches in italy, spain, and other parts of the EU (in some countries it is illegal to even HAVE a rep, let alone sell them) and bringing them home. Maybe more watches are sold in Malaysia (33rd GDP in the world and 27M people) than the US (1st GDP, 300M people) Maybe this rep uses super duper expensive steel Maybe this rep has superior lume Maybe the Asian 7750 movement manufacturer is choosing to squeeze the manufacturers Maybe wood is really expensive I could go on for a long time on all the reasons I've heard why this or that watch is going to be really expensive. I choose not to believe it, I choose to believe that the price is set because the dealers believe that's what will maximize their profits. Limited supply (only 4 dealers) and a new product with reasonable build quality can demand a premium price. People are going to buy the watch at the higher price. We saw a lot of complaining over the HBB but I still saw people post reviews (a lot of bad stuff about quality I might add. That's a watch I will probably never own, but if it dropped in price I would definitely buy. I'm sure there are a lot of people in that boat. I'd love to see a dealer cowboy-up and say "We're going to charge a lot because it's nice, it's new and we can charge that price and still sell." Sorry if I'm ruffling feathers, but this is a forum right? We're here to talk about things like this. Different opinions make for spirited debate. Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FasTTaP Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I'm NOT going to thank him for letting us help do THEIR jobs. Do you honestly think they can't spend 20 minutes looking at the rep and the gen they purchased and pick out the flaws? I would love to post my work to the internet, have 20 people correct it and thank me for giving them the opportunity. Well... I am. I'm a webmarketing pro, specialised in the so called 'web 2.0' trend, and this kind of product desing (e.g. involving the final customer in product design phase) is definitely the most up to date in marketing... (even if 'design' is not really appropriate here, since we're talking about rep). This is indeed a very interesting marketing experience we're seeing here, to my knowledge, no company has yet started such a high end 'web 2.0' product, involving a customer community in product design. I hope to see more stuff like this here, rep dealers are clearly using the web to its best. Congratulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetterdawg Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 (edited) Well... I am. I'm a webmarketing pro, specialised in the so called 'web 2.0' trend, and this kind of product desing (e.g. involving the final customer in product design phase) is definitely the most up to date in marketing... (even if 'design' is not really appropriate here, since we're talking about rep). This is indeed a very interesting marketing experience we're seeing here, to my knowledge, no company has yet started such a high end 'web 2.0' product, involving a customer community in product design. I hope to see more stuff like this here, rep dealers are clearly using the web to its best. Congratulations yah - I knew that one was going to make me unpopular - although go back and check I've given quite a bit of input on the "public" designed watches. anyway, isn't the web 2.0 trend over now? I support some VC's and do technical due diligence for them occasionally and I'm hearing it's done. Edited April 9, 2007 by zetterdawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve G Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I could go on for a long time on all the reasons I've heard why this or that watch is going to be really expensive. I choose not to believe it, I choose to believe that the price is set because the dealers believe that's what will maximize their profits. Limited supply (only 4 dealers) and a new product with reasonable build quality can demand a premium price. This is the truth why this watch and others sell for higher prices. Prior to releases of these improved reps...the PAM 187 was a watch that had people all standing in lines to get..at a premium...then after all the rush and to do was over with...I bought mine for under $200..Nothing special about the PAM 187 no special alloys...still the same 7750 (28,800), rubber strap. All hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_tgg Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 No, is not a problem to be popular or not. Is to be correct or not. And you have been totally correct. And it is if the USA has more GPD or not. Rolex is the most selling mark in USA, but IWC is more know in EU. For example. And yes, a lot of americans come to Spain, to buy mexican hats. Most of the reps in the world are buyied in south asia. But I think (just my opinion), that a bigger % of the high end reps, than 20% are sell into specializated webs like this forum. May be I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie7s Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Well... I am. I'm a webmarketing pro, specialised in the so called 'web 2.0' trend, and this kind of product desing (e.g. involving the final customer in product design phase) is definitely the most up to date in marketing... (even if 'design' is not really appropriate here, since we're talking about rep). This is indeed a very interesting marketing experience we're seeing here, to my knowledge, no company has yet started such a high end 'web 2.0' product, involving a customer community in product design. I hope to see more stuff like this here, rep dealers are clearly using the web to its best. Congratulations I agree w/ FasTTaP in that bringing the community together by allowing them to make desicions on a final product is a great way to do business. It ultimately leads to higher ROI, which is where everybody wants to be. Kudos to Angus for allowing us to give our input on these past projects. Keep up the goos work, Angus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymbound Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Guys I hate to point out the obvious here but price is determined by two things and two things alone, supply and demand. If they offer the watch at too high a price, they will have leftover stock, which drives price down. If price is that much of a deterant, just don't jump too fast, don't be the first guy on the block with one, the price will fall eventually. Those that want to be the first on the block etc. will pay for the privalage of being such, they will not let price stand in the way. One of us pointed out that everything is negotiable, well, that is not so. High demand items are non-negotiable because those that have high desire for the item are willing to pay, thereby lessing anyone else's negotiating power. And that is not the fault of the manufacturer or the dealer, it is simple economics. So, stop complaining about price and wait until the price is where you want it, OR pay for the "privilage" of being an "early bird". Sorry if I offened anyone. By the way, I want one NOW!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galla Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Why dont we form a buying coalition. All who want this wactch buy together and try to get a sweet deal??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Hi, don't forget that the manufacturer of this Cousteau beauty has one big advantage : it's called monopoly. He's the only one to offer this watch. So why would he grant any kind of discount, as there's no competition (except the gen ). He has what you want and you can't get it anywhere else. Just my 2 cts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Hey guys, Starting to feel like this thread is getting jacked. Hate to break up this party , but any chance of keeping the disucssion about the watch? Cheers Luc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add46.88 Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 This is my next watch I dont like wishing my life away but.....2 WEEKS BETTER PASS QUICKLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Guys, King has this watch available for sale officially. I've had her price it, and the price is very good, definitely in line with Asian 7750 reps ($30 premium or so). PM me to find out the price quickly. I've just ordered it. Guys, King has this watch available for sale officially. I've had her price it, and the price is very good, definitely in line with Asian 7750 reps ($30 premium or so). PM me to find out the price quickly. I've just ordered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Hi Thomasng, hope u are well... Please post your impressions upon receipt. We are all very curious! Best regards from Euno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dak244 Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Guys, King has this watch available for sale officially. I've had her price it, and the price is very good, definitely in line with Asian 7750 reps ($30 premium or so). PM me to find out the price quickly. I've just ordered it. Guys, King has this watch available for sale officially. I've had her price it, and the price is very good, definitely in line with Asian 7750 reps ($30 premium or so). PM me to find out the price quickly. I've just ordered it. WTF? Why would you tell us to PM you about the price? Just F*cking tell us.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sql_pl Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Just mailed King. Wonder how it is possible that she can supply these watches NOW while other dealers need to wait 2 more weeks... Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 WTF? Why would you tell us to PM you about the price? Just F*cking tell us.... Hey, relax Ask King yourself if you are so anxious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) WTF? Why would you tell us to PM you about the price? Just F*cking tell us.... I'm sorry your majesty that I didn't kiss your ass. It's normally bad fashion to post prices that are by request only everywhere out on the boards. Go find out from King yourself now, and wait 24 hours. By the way, adding the word "[censored]" here and there doesn't really show intelligence (or maturity for that matter) there my man. (And no, using short forms like WTF and * symbols to mask the word doesn't count) auiawyeabdcasabncsacnjackasswioeuwqncjhcasipopsajs Edited April 11, 2007 by thomasng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 auiawyeabdcasabncsacnjackasswioeuwqncjhcasipopsajs now that was funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dak244 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm sorry your majesty that I didn't kiss your ass. It's normally bad fashion to post prices that are by request only everywhere out on the boards. Go find out from King yourself now, and wait 24 hours. By the way, adding the word "[censored]" here and there doesn't really show intelligence (or maturity for that matter) there my man. (And no, using short forms like WTF and * symbols to mask the word doesn't count) auiawyeabdcasabncsacnjackasswioeuwqncjhcasipopsajs LOL, loser.. I'm not trying to show "intelligence" or "maturity" with you. I'm just trying to tell you to stop being a [censored] and let us know the price. As you can see, 16 pages in, people are anxious to know about the watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) LOL, loser.. I'm not trying to show "intelligence" or "maturity" with you. I'm just trying to tell you to stop being a [censored] and let us know the price. As you can see, 16 pages in, people are anxious to know about the watch. You can't show "intelligence" or "maturity" because you clearly lack it in the first place. I clearly stated why I did not disclose the price in public if you actually bothered to read my post, instead of firing back another childish insult. If you're so anxious to find out then just e-mail King. I'm just doing you guys a service by actually telling any of you. But when you're such a huge jackass, I'm finding it hard to even stay on this forum when people like you crap all over the place. More than 30 people have sent me kind requests to tell them the price, but you're the only who has anything to [censored] about in the first place apparently. Being a rude jackass will get you nowhere in life. Good day to you. Edited April 11, 2007 by thomasng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xac Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Just noticed something... Angus said the back was plastic? Shouldn't it be sapphire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxuan Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 It is good news to customers that the watch is accessible to many dealers. We will see them everywhere and, more importantly, competitively priced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romp Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Can we direct the thread back to the watch details - make a new one about marketing ploys and pricing structures ... I like many others am in this thread purely to follow the progress of the Cousteau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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