Curt941 Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 A couple of things I have noticed1) The bezel is extremely tight. Right now I have it on with just the click spring, no friction washer. When I tried to fit just the bezel on the crystal retainer without even the click spring, it was very tough to rotate back and forth. Also, pressing the insert in was EXTREMELY tough. Both the TC new insert and a gen one I have. I'm not sure if that's part of the same problem as the stiffness to rotate, if the overall dimensions of the bezel are just slightly smaller or what.2) I tried fitting a V3 bracelet, and the end links were VERY high on the case, like even with the tops of the lugs. So even though the v3 bracelet might be the "best", it wasn't the best on this case IMHO. What's on their now is the V5 93250 it came with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curiousbunny Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Where did you find this? I couldn't find a new version of LV on TC's website. I'm waiting/hoping for TC sub v7, when he fix the minor issues with v6 case, then i'd purchase one. I guess i'm very picky, but the construction doesn't look gen enough, plus service and new movement, it'll be over $1000 for a fake. Edited January 3, 2015 by curiousbunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt941 Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 What do you mean construction doesn't look gen enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 What do you mean construction doesn't look gen enough? AAH.......... , you ain't getting much better than a TC unless your are going the modding route. "it'll be over $1000 for a fake." and the gen is................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irolexu Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 I have a gen he can buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curiousbunny Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) The gen is over $5000 and that might be the only route for perfect construction. TC is fine if no one else is touching my watch besides me but what if a rolex hobbyist wants to inspect my watch closely? http://www.watch-collector.co.uk/Remove_Rolex_Bezel.html http://blog.tc-sub.com/2012/05/220-tc-submariner-watch-case-set-v.html The bezel installation mechanism is between 1 and 2 o'clock on gen. It's around 4 o'clock on the TC replica. Don't ever mention noob replica submariner, that's simply terrible. There are also reports of issues with TC lugs. Edited January 4, 2015 by curiousbunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 The bezel installation mechanism is between 1 and 2 o'clock on gen. It's around 4 o'clock on the TC replica. Are you referring to the location of the click spring on the retaining ring?? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pac Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 i think TC is the best sub replica out of the box, really beautiful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S. Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 The bezel installation mechanism is between 1 and 2 o'clock on gen. It's around 4 o'clock on the TC replica. Don't ever mention noob replica submariner, that's simply terrible. Really?? Like dbane883 already mentionedm its' no problem whatsoever. Here you can see that you can remove full bezel assembly and put the click spring where gen Sub's and GMT's have it. Photo courtesy: TC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt941 Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Gen subs dont even have it all at the same location. Maybe from the factory, but once it gets a service all bets are off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpz5142 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 The gen is over $5000 and that might be the only route for perfect construction. TC is fine if no one else is touching my watch besides me but what if a rolex hobbyist wants to inspect my watch closely?http://www.watch-collector.co.uk/Remove_Rolex_Bezel.html http://blog.tc-sub.com/2012/05/220-tc-submariner-watch-case-set-v.html The bezel installation mechanism is between 1 and 2 o'clock on gen. It's around 4 o'clock on the TC replica. Don't ever mention noob replica submariner, that's simply terrible. There are also reports of issues with TC lugs.Wow, this sounds like a newbie that has done his homework and is righteously shredding the best OTB 16610 reps out there..... The only thing better than a TC 16610 is a franken of gen parts. Only thing better than a franken is a 100% assembled by Rolex 16610 compmete with box and papers... You do understand that the crystal retaining ring is a circle and can be pressed on in any orientation desired, even by Rolex? On the wrist, a TC 16610 is the best OTB rep you can get past or present. As far as in the hands of a Rolex expert/enthusiast, anything other than a 100% gen assembled by Rolex would be at risk of getting called out. If you're afraid of getting called out by an expert then get a gen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Get a gen..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 "TC is fine if no one else is touching my watch besides me but what if a Rolex hobbyist wants to inspect my watch closely?" tell him it's a rep maybe, would most likely be impressed w/ it. Also he is going to check the bezel assembly under the insert, really. If your goal is to have a watch to fool people who are Rolex guys under close inspection then there is not one available for you, but you can wear your TC (I did gen insert, crystal and crown on mine) on your wrist with no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borz Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Just buy a used Breitling Colt II if you're so worried about being called out - nice watch light years ahead of any rep in quality at a price of a slightly modded rep, plenty of them out there selling for less than a grand if you look around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
508-Fanatic Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Wow, this sounds like a newbie that has done his homework and is righteously shredding the best OTB 16610 reps out there..... The only thing better than a TC 16610 is a franken of gen parts. Only thing better than a franken is a 100% assembled by Rolex 16610 compmete with box and papers... You do understand that the crystal retaining ring is a circle and can be pressed on in any orientation desired, even by Rolex? On the wrist, a TC 16610 is the best OTB rep you can get past or present. As far as in the hands of a Rolex expert/enthusiast, anything other than a 100% gen assembled by Rolex would be at risk of getting called out. If you're afraid of getting called out by an expert then get a gen... I seriously look forward to the day when someone has the stones to *try* to call me out on some Franken and I can tear them to shreds :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpz5142 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I seriously look forward to the day when someone has the stones to *try* to call me out on some Franken and I can tear them to shreds :) Depends on wether or not all of your date codes matched up, if not then your at risk of the expert calling foul for trying to pass it off as 100% legit... is this likely to happen on the typical sale/appraisal of a lowly 16610? Probably not but I'm sure that it is possible, it'd just be cocky to presume otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagfan1 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Tc lv looks great best rep lv to date without going Franken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curiousbunny Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm not trying to shred it apart, it's amazing the work TC has done and it's worth collecting, there could be a good chance of being an actual collectible one day by gen owners. TC has.. 1. Perfect dial 2. Almost perfect date system, I believe Yuki 3135 will make it perfect, I could be wrong. 3. 300m water resistance with silicon grease. 4. Great bracelet, most people will think it's a gen after cheap home polishing(flour and cloth method). 5. Low snob factor, gen owners can get on my nerves sometimes. 6. Bezel indistinguishable to most people 7. Proper case sides and height. I'm simply afraid an acquaintance peeking and touch my TC v6 in the most intimate places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneed12 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm not trying to shred it apart, it's amazing the work TC has done and it's worth collecting, there could be a good chance of being an actual collectible one day by gen owners. You sound insane. TC has.. 1. Perfect dial 2. Almost perfect date system, I believe Yuki 3135 will make it perfect, I could be wrong. "Date system"? What does that even mean? You can't see the "date system" without taking the dial off. 3. 300m water resistance with silicon grease. 4. Great bracelet, most people will think it's a gen after cheap home polishing(flour and cloth method). 5. Low snob factor, gen owners can get on my nerves sometimes. 6. Bezel indistinguishable to most people 7. Proper case sides and height. I'm simply afraid an acquaintance peeking and touch my TC v6 in the most intimate places Any properly machined modern watch case will achieve 300m water resistance if sealed correctly. And that last comment is downright perverted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archetypal Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 ^ Gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacher62 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Don't you just hate that...people always wanted to fondle your Rolex and the next thing you know they've taken the bezel off to see where the click is located. I HATE THAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukenorris2011 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Don't you just hate that...people always wanted to fondle your Rolex and the next thing you know they've taken the bezel off to see where the click is located. I HATE THAT! I have too agree, after it happening so many times it just gets real annoying..... Who is TC anyways ?? Life's a [censored], then you marry one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneed12 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Once upon a time, there was a factory in China that invested in building a high-quality, very accurate rep Submariner at a higher price point than was typical for reps (then, anyway). That factory was known as the watchmaker9 factory (WM9). The exclusive source for these watches in the US was a guy named BK, who did quite a bit of quality control and some additional mods before selling the watches on. Then BK's contact at the factory disappeared (this was around 2011 or so, the rumor is he was killed in a car crash) and the watches were unavailable for a while. A couple years later, out of nowhere, this TC guy shows up selling what are clearly updated versions of the WM9 watch. Apparently he reconnected with someone else at the same factory. (More details and speculation about this in BK's section of the website.) Some of us were sketched out at first (and I still, frankly, don't believe his original story that he just started building watches one day and the TC sub was the result) but he's clearly pushed hard to improve the product, has worked with different factories to get better parts, and has proven himself a trustworthy dealer to the rep community. That's who this TC guy is. I won't post his name but he's not private about it, I think it's on his blog. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
508-Fanatic Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Depends on wether or not all of your date codes matched up, if not then your at risk of the expert calling foul for trying to pass it off as 100% legit... is this likely to happen on the typical sale/appraisal of a lowly 16610? Probably not but I'm sure that it is possible, it'd just be cocky to presume otherwise... They will, and I wouldn't be a dumbass and let a Rolex expert take it apart lol. I'm talking more-so at a coffee shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
508-Fanatic Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Once upon a time, there was a factory in China that invested in building a high-quality, very accurate rep Submariner at a higher price point than was typical for reps (then, anyway). That factory was known as the watchmaker9 factory (WM9). The exclusive source for these watches in the US was a guy named BK, who did quite a bit of quality control and some additional mods before selling the watches on. Then BK's contact at the factory disappeared (this was around 2011 or so, the rumor is he was killed in a car crash) and the watches were unavailable for a while. A couple years later, out of nowhere, this TC guy shows up selling what are clearly updated versions of the WM9 watch. Apparently he reconnected with someone else at the same factory. (More details and speculation about this in BK's section of the website.) Some of us were sketched out at first (and I still, frankly, don't believe his original story that he just started building watches one day and the TC sub was the result) but he's clearly pushed hard to improve the product, has worked with different factories to get better parts, and has proven himself a trustworthy dealer to the rep community. That's who this TC guy is. I won't post his name but he's not private about it, I think it's on his blog. Tom does a great job and is a pleasure to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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