cavi Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 what is the difference between the japanese movements and the swiss movements on the replicas watches, some of the vendors seem to ask 300 to 400 more for the swiss movements. What are the real differences? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am new to all of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydenM Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Which dealer adds 300-400 for swiss movements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Which dealer adds 300-400 for swiss movements? Correct, maybe 100-150 more where you looking and yes you need to do some reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 First off sir, there are tons of articles on the differences. What you need to realize that while the ETA, Sellita, Soprod ,etc. SWISS movements are built within a highly regulated watch industry, the Chinese have no such standards. There are several grades of Chinese movements, and in fact the top grade movements are comparable to the Swiss, the bottom grades are pretty much junk. So rather than worrying about the difference between SWISS and Chinese, I would first concentrate on telling the difference between the various grades of Chinese movements. Why not worry about the Swiss? First off you are not going to see any new ETA movements in reps today, unless it's and older rep or one that has an ETA movement transplanted into the watch by the owner. All these ETA movements the dealers are selling are either old movements taken from watches or they are a mashup of Swiss and Chinese parts. Now, go read. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 [...] Man, I have to compliments you about your patience. Nearly always, when a noob comes and post questions like these you replies with respectful and informative answer. Not something common. So please take my esteem! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Man, I have to compliments you about your patience. Nearly always, when a noob comes and post questions like these you replies with respectful and informative answer. Not something common. So please take my esteem! Thank you sir for the accolades. I can be pretty short sometimes, especially when the noob asks a question that has been asked about 10 million times and is pretty much only answered by personal research. Like who has the best sub!!! In this case, this is a god question, and I believe that redefining his parameters was worth the post. I know that in my case, Since I'm not a fan of or use many Asian xxxxx movements, I'm not very familiar with the differences, except that I know from experience that some of the high end Chinese movements like the Sea Gull 2130 and the BiCompax Venus copy are good well made solid movements, but beyond that, I figure that the movement in the watch will run til it quits or get's erratic, and at that point I will have to decide if I want to replace it with a higher grade movement or get the movement serviced. What I usually do is decide if the watch is going to be a long term keeper, if it is, I replace the movement, otherwise I get it serviced or replace it with a similar "Cheapo" movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Man, I have to compliments you about your patience. Nearly always, when a noob comes and post questions like these you replies with respectful and informative answer. Not something common. So please take my esteem! That is because you are used to next store here we are much more civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elprimerozen Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Always start with a watch that you like...no mater which caliber is in the watch....then when something goes wrong with the movement you will see that you ll start using the search magical button....after that "all hell brakes loose".... Btw as i learned through years ...is that you will never never know if a so called "Swiss" or "Chinese" or "Swinese" will go dead! So here is an example which is a true story...about a month ago my wife was realy pist off with me and she took a datejust oversized in her hand and nearly missed my head!!!! the watch flew over my head and CRASHED on the wall with the speed of sound.....the datejust was realy f......up ,,BUT Asia movement 2813 is working great.....so you ll never know how reliable a caliber is,until your wife is [censored] off..... ....the First thing people taught me here is the search button..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachcomber Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 One post, not even as much as a thank you. If some people acted this way in life they would never get anywhere, Just because you are on a forum doesn't give you the right to break down the door and throw out a question that you could have looked up on your own if you weren't so lazy. BTW, welcome to the forum, no go learn some manners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torobravo Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 For me Miyota automatic is the most reliable these days, it´s a pity they don´t make a chronograph movement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlf Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Swiss cheese is good, Chinese cheese is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 One post, not even as much as a thank you. If some people acted this way in life they would never get anywhere, Just because you are on a forum doesn't give you the right to break down the door and throw out a question that you could have looked up on your own if you weren't so lazy. BTW, welcome to the forum, no go learn some manners. You can always use the spiritual approach: Peace, love and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavi Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 To those few that actually gave a good answer with a good starting point, thanks, to the rest of you, sorry I got nothing.... Honestly search is much easier when you actually have a couple of starting points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavi Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Oh and btw, at WWW.perfectwatches.cn in the Bretling area, the asian movent watches are either 199 or 247, while the two offered with swiss movement are 740 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumbee Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 When ordering a rep, you are usually better going with the Asian movement. Most of the "Swiss" movements are either Asians or Swiss movements built out of old parts. Never doubt the reliability of Asian movements, though. I have some that are running well after many years and some that are running to well within COSC timing specs. In reality, any watch movement can be reliable and fairly accurate if cleaned, lubed and regulated well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankt Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 In reality, you have two chances of actually getting a real new Swiss movement in a replica.... Slim, and none whatsoever....And "Slim" left town last Tuesday..!! But from the folks that only "stretch the truth" a bit....Avoid the outright liars like the plague..!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 In reality, you have two chances of actually getting a real new Swiss movement in a replica.... Slim, and none whatsoever....And "Slim" left town last Tuesday..!! But from the folks that only "stretch the truth" a bit....Avoid the outright liars like the plague..!!! Pretty much true. The supply of ETA movements is being choked off by Swatch. Some are still available from the supply houses and distributors, but the supply is dwindling. MKII watches, which is a boutique brand that builds very nice watches in the 1000-1500 USD range, has a very nice 6542 Rolex GMT homage in preproduction. Lots of folks missed out on the ordering and there has been an appeal to make more than the planned run of 300. Unfortunately, the supply of ETA 2893-2 movements has dried up and probably won't be any more than the 300 produced. So if a boutique watchmaker who has lots of contacts in Switzerland can't get movements, I doubt that the Chinese makers are getting them. long gone are the days when anyone with the funds could buy ETA movements in 50 or 100 slot trays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Do not buy from that web site. Go to our trusted dealers section here instead, that will keep you safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Oh and btw, at WWW.perfectwatches.cn in the Bretling area, the asian movent watches are either 199 or 247, while the two offered with swiss movement are 740 Yes. Scammers infact. There is nothing like 199 247 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droptopman Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 As others have stated, I would avoid the "Swiss" upgrade from any rep dealer even our TD's. My last couple attempts resulted in paying for the upgrade but still receiving a clone movement, so in essence paid for the upgrade for no reason. I would really avoid "perfectwatches" as that is a scam site. If I buy an out of the box rep I would order it with the Asian clone movement and then if I really like the watch and had movement issues I would source a genuine ETA from a reputable seller and have it replaced. Or for a build, I might just start with an ETA. For example we recently built a TC LV and used a brand new Swiss ETA 2824 in it instead of the clone as I plan to keep the watch. The clone movements work fine in many cases as some members have reported. I have had mixed results with them. Some have worked great and others not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavi Posted June 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Thanks, I ended up also ordering a watch from pure-time last night, fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Thanks, I ended up also ordering a watch from pure-time last night, fingers crossed! Great dealer choice, hope you'll be happy with the watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavi Posted June 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I will find out, I got an e-mail back today stating that the watch I ordered is out of stock, so I gave another couple of options so we will see!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacuadra Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) This is a good post for those of us who are still learning. I am considering a Miyota 8205 vs ETA 2824 Vs A2836 Omega PO. The price difference is probably 80-100$ I guess the ETA on reps is not as clear as it seems. The sellers pitch is quite good. And for newbies like me it sounds like the difference between a hyundai and a bmw Edited July 25, 2015 by Lacuadra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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