e30m3 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 So, I go to pull the static plastic crystal protector off my new 5513, and the crystal and bezel right come off together (they're still together, as one unit). Can you guys look at the pics and tell me how the hell they were even attached in the first place? That rubber O-ring is just that - an O-ring. I see no remnants of glue but the bezel/crystal will not press-fit back on. So then, I figure, pull the bracelet off and look for the "SAINLESS STEEL" 1665 case. But it's a 1680 case, with "STAINLESS STEEL" lasered (beautifully, I must say) between the lugs. Does that mean that this is NOT a cartel V2 (as I'd specifically ordered), and is a V1? Or is it something else? Will I be able to make the best possible cartel rep from this case? Finally, your thoughts. Should I go to the trouble of sending it back? Is it fixable? Is it better to start with the 1665 case anyway? Frustrated. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Interesting! I've never seen an o-ring gasket on the neck of the case. First, you need to separate the parts- crystal, crystal retaining ring and the bezel with the bezel insert. You should be able to press the crystal out- hopefully with your thumbs/fingers. If not, you need to buy a $15 crystal press from a place like Harbor Freight and press it out. Then you should be able to put the crystal back on the case- pressing it over the gasket since the gasket might help with waterproofing. The crystal should be a tight fit over the case neck, but not too tight. If it's loose, that's no good either. Next you need to press the crystal retaining ring on- that should also be a tight fit and this is where the crystal press should help. Finally you press on the bezel- it should sort of snap over the crystal retaining ring since it's a tension fit. Just remembered there's a flat washer like ring that also should be in there- it goes on before you press on the bezel. If you don't have the tension washer, just go to installing the bezel next. You can press on the bezel with the insert in it or install the insert separately- it might be glued to the bezel which is fairly common on reps. If this doesn't work, you might need to start swapping out parts- like a new T-19 crystal which you can get anywhere- they do vary in size slightly. A new aftermarket bezel assembly might also do the trick- Clark's used to carry them but you might have to ask Gary if he has them since they may not be listed on his ebay page. Other people also sell the 5513 bezel assembly- maybe WSO990- wholesaleoutlet990. The watch does look like a V2 cartel- crown guards are ok, but could be straightened up on the insides. A 1665 case is different from the 5513 case in that it has the HE valve and a thicker bezel assembly. The 1680 case and 5513 case are slightly different, but since this is a rep, I wouldn't worry about the engravings since they are really only for decoration- you're just trying to end up with a decent rep 5513 that looks good and functions. You could send the watch back- it's a hassle, but is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSTEEL Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Ive seen plenty of these replica constructed cases, most from Josh, and vintage models, all with plexi's fitted, the gasket is to aid water resistance. Looking at the one photo of yours, the gasket appears twisted/deformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Personally I’d go for an Ofrei PA 462 66 crystal. It’s a very similar look to a T19 service crystal. Don’t go for a Clark T19, there’s too much rehaut distortion. You can read about my v.2 build in the link below which may help.https://rwg.cc/topic/181702-modded-cartel-5513-v2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack1993 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Where did you purchase this? Am I aloud to ask that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e30m3 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 You guys think I should try to return it? Or make it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 41 minutes ago, e30m3 said: You guys think I should try to return it? Or make it work? It's not difficult to replace the crystal, you're half way there. If you were intending to the mod the watch you may as well keep it. Trust me on this – the Cartel does need modding to get anywhere close to the original. 1 hour ago, Jack1993 said: Where did you purchase this? Am I aloud to ask that.. You can pick them up from here: http://www.pf-818.com/watches/rolex/submariner/vintages/0-0-0-0rlsv01006-vintage-5513-no-date-submariner-asia-eta-2836.html?___SID=U 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e30m3 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Forgive my ignorance (the watch is at home and I’m out) - the crystal is meant to mount to the watch, and the bezel then grabs the crystal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 No worries, lots of great info on the forum. Yeap, the retaining ring holds the crystal on the case. The bezel itself clips onto the retaining ring. Here’s a shot of the midcase and then the crystal and retaining ring in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e30m3 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Gotcha. So you’d have no major concern with these cg’s? They’re shape-able, that is? ...I’m asking in an effort to determine whether I should keep the watch or send it back... leaning towards keeping it as I intend to modify it anyway. crystal slid right out, btw. All the pieces desribed are there, plus a really thin white plastic spacer. Ever seen that? Super brittle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spazthecat Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Last two cartel subs I received had the white gasket you are talking about. It’s meant to take up the extra space between the crystal and the retaining ring. Basically, the crystal is too small. I’d measure the ID diameter of the retaining ring and then order a PA crystal that Jackflash mentioned. There are a couple of different sizes to pick from.Worst case is you have to glue the crystal in place. I ended up doing that on mine because the bezel assembly plus crystal kept popping off.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack1993 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just received today! A lot of mods to get on this baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Glad it worked out for you @Jack1993. Start a build thread once you are under way. Oh and welcome to the money pit??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack1993 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Cheers bro, I know I can see this costing me, I’ve got a Swiss eta from an oris ready to go in, that’s as far as I’ve got ?♂️?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 An old and tested piece of advice is to find a genuine watch online that you particularly like and copy it. Decisions: Pre 1967 with gilt dial or later white dial print Pointed crown guards or rounded domed or flatter service crystal replacement crown? leather, NATO or bracelet. If you are keeping the bracelet, take it of the watch and drop it in baby oil for 24 hours How much, if at all do you want to age the bezel Once you know what you are shooting at, we can help with suppliers and links to tutorials, guides, inspiration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack1993 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 What will baby oil do for the strap! Great help! All noted!! Cheers bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I would follow Alligoat's instructions. In addition, it looks like the gasket is twisted, so it will not seal properly. Before reassembly, remove & reinstall the gasket (ideally, it should have a light coat of silicone grease). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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