Torques Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 it is in all countrys illegal to buy fake watches... not only in germany i hope panerai don´t make much trouble. Maybe they send me a warning... i never order a new watch... i will no more customs problems... it is to much risk if Joshua refund my money i were happy. If not it is ok (it isn´t Josh´s problem, it is my problem)... and i learn from this story. fedex is very bad in germany... i have 2 times held a parcel from customs with fedex shipping. A friend has also lost one parcel from fedex by customs... Not illegal in the USA to purchase only to sell like the scam sites are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olreon Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 hmmm. lost my shipment with aftermarket parts before x-mas, too. They seem to check every single shipment now... hello, no, i can´t imagine that they do this. maybe the package wasn´t declared. if you ship out a international package and don´t declare what´s in it, the custom often will open it. don´t know what´s this all about. maybe whe should wait and see what the future brings.... best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Seems Germany SUCKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijor Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 It is not illegal to purchse or own replica merchandise in Canada. The sale is illegal however. All prosecutions in Canada have been for the sale of counterfits. The purchase of counterfit items falls under copyright law and counterfit items can be seized by customs. The buyer can not be prosecuted. Rather, it would be up to the copyright holder to take civil action against a buyer. I am in Canada and have recieved watches from Josh that customs has inspected and allowed through. Advice to all: Do not use Fedex or UPS as they will inspect and report counterfit items to Customs agents. It is likely Fedex that caused your probelms by reporting the watch to be counterfit to customs. Regular mail provides the best option for shipping replicas. Good luck in the future! it is in all countrys illegal to buy fake watches... not only in germany i hope panerai don´t make much trouble. Maybe they send me a warning... i never order a new watch... i will no more customs problems... it is to much risk if Joshua refund my money i were happy. If not it is ok (it isn´t Josh´s problem, it is my problem)... and i learn from this story. fedex is very bad in germany... i have 2 times held a parcel from customs with fedex shipping. A friend has also lost one parcel from fedex by customs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 okay - all German members can relax a bit - my pam came today after 15 days on the air.... it was checket by the German customs - package was open - watch was checked and lousy repacked .... i guess not all customs know Panerai. i learned my lesson - will see if i order outside EU again Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elprimerozen Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I have made more than 20 orders from Josh China-Greece and so far no problems...nowim waiting 2 more...the way with fedex is China-HK-Paris-Athens-Thessaloniki..with no problems.But i think its more safe to send them with registered air mail...what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namor Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 ...my pam came today after 15 days on the air.... Frank Good to hear, congrats pal ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Good to hear, congrats pal ! thanks btw - im an idiot - i wanted a fiddy - and ordered a 217 - was a nice surprise when i opened the package LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shultz Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 thanks btw - im an idiot - i wanted a fiddy - and ordered a 217 - was a nice surprise when i opened the package LOL Just turn it around, hehe! Just kidding. But believe me. Since I ordered my 239 I am loving these ergonomic left-handed watches. Give it a try. Otherwise send me a pm probably I will take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 day 14 now, no watch ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontowatches Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Day 14 and counting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Lol who gets letter from customs first .... is al capowned ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niloc Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 The contents of this thread is causing my irritable bowel syndrome to kick in, some collectors like me will no doubt be thinking about stopping their hobby before they get caught. Perhaps the forum is too high profile at the moment and is too easily infiltrated by the opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMWrolex Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 (edited) The contents of this thread is causing my irritable bowel syndrome to kick in, some collectors like me will no doubt be thinking about stopping their hobby before they get caught. Perhaps the forum is too high profile at the moment and is too easily infiltrated by the opposition. Which brings me to a question regarding shipping (specifically to the US)... Say if we did request a watch, and it was stopped by customs... can't we deny the whole thing and not reply to the letter that customs sends to us? Whats the worse that can happen? Whats the penalty for getting rep watches in the US? I also agree with you on that one, we truely need to go be more low key espically on search engines and so on... Edited January 23, 2007 by BMWrolex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsterRider Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Which brings me to a question regarding shipping (specifically to the US)... Say if we did request a watch, and it was stopped by customs... can't we deny the whole thing and not reply to the letter that customs sends to us? Whats the worse that can happen? Whats the penalty for getting rep watches in the US? I also agree with you on that one, we truely need to go be more low key espically on search engines and so on... I had one watch seized by customs a few years ago (shipping from Portugal) and got the 'letter'. IIRC, the letter stated that if I didn't reply that the watch would be destroyed (which I didn't, so I assume it was). So I don't think there is any concern about getting "busted" for buying a rep. Selling, yes. Buying? Not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Day 16, no watch i already consider it as lost. Any EU member want to sell me his OMEGA SMP 300M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Day 16, no watch i already consider it as lost. Any EU member want to sell me his OMEGA SMP 300M? Sorry to hear. An unfortunate price of doing business in this genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Bad first try... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontin Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 That's [censored]ed up, I mean really! What is it about the packaging that tips them off? The declared value? Or do they just randomly open packages? Or worst still, are they watching the rep dealers, you know; the sender's address? What's the story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyndonville Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingo Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) Hi! Just one "silly" question... : Why don´t you tell customs you never have ordered any watch... the customs have to send it back to where it came from (you should have told the dealer to write a correct senders adress on package) and the dealer will re-send it???!! This is what I read in a lot of threads concerning german customs! By the way: I am a proud and happy precioustime customer AND: PT told me (quote!) :" If there is a rep of it and if any dealer has it I CAN GET IT FOR YOU" (except mbw for sure..) So look for your watch on sites like Joshua, TTK, Trusty,..., and buy without risks from PT PT´s prices are fair! Regards, Ingo (Germany) Edited January 24, 2007 by Ingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) If customs held your watch and idfentify it as a FAKE... they will NEVER send it back to the seller. They will send it to company or will demolish it. Do you think the brand names spend so much money to customs for free??? NO OTHER WAY PT is a nice dealer... and nice to hear that you have good experiences with him. But all users has his other favorite dealer. And if you sometime has a problem, and your favorite dealer are not correct, you will go to other dealer. I have dealed with all Dealers here on RWG. Somtime good experiences, sometime bad experiences. But you will never hear from bad experiences on Forum. Mostly people are afraid for dealers... i have dealed with PT more times... bought total 11 watches from him. But my last 2 daytonas are not working. The refund watches also not working??? $350 FOR NONE WORKING WATCH... So i never ordered again from him. But maybe i will do it again. I think i have bought 2-3 bad watches from him, but also 8 nice watches. If you buy 10 watches from any dealer... 2 will be in bad condition... from all dealers. I have bought from all. Edited January 24, 2007 by tourbillon1801 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 I hate also customs, and I am trying to find a dealer in some EU country. I have tried to buy from PT, but He do not sell to me anything. I have no idea why. I have not had any problems with any other dealers. I have used Joshua & Andrew, who are gentlemen and friendly dealers with good aftermarketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingo Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 (edited) So let´s sum up: tourbillon1801, you dealt with PT, Daytona (they usually don´t work, do they?? ) didn´t work, PT refunded it and ok, the new one (still a Daytona which won´t work ever) does not work either. What did yo do? Refund again? Despaired? You kept it and did nothing? Why? What did PT tell you when second Daytona still didn´t work? My experiences with very polite and friendly PT make me believe he would have helped you another time! >Schreib doch mal eine PM, was los war!!< And Cosmo... every, really every time I contacted PT he answered immediately and very nice! And I AM NOT his best customer, not even close to this! I don´t want to raise PT to heaven or elswhere but by experiences are very good and he really can get any watch for you, this is a great advantage! Regards, Ingo, Germany Edited January 25, 2007 by Ingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted January 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 (edited) So let´s sum up: tourbillon1801, you dealt with PT, Daytona (they usually don´t work, do they?? ) didn´t work, PT refunded it and ok, the new one (still a Daytona which won´t work ever) does not work either. What did yo do? Refund again? Despaired? You kept it and did nothing? Why? What did PT tell you when second Daytona still didn´t work? My experiences with very polite and friendly PT make me believe he would have helped you another time! >Schreib doch mal eine PM, was los war!!< And Cosmo... every, really every time I contacted PT he answered immediately and very nice! And I AM NOT his best customer, not even close to this! I don´t want to raise PT to heaven or elswhere but by experiences are very good and he really can get any watch for you, this is a great advantage! Regards, Ingo, Germany dear Ingo i never told, that PT or Joshua are bad dealers or bad persons. I have deal with PT and he has send me lot of nice watches without problems. But my last experinces was bad. You are right, i must refund the watch 2nd time to PT and waiting for result. But i have wait 4 weeks for this watch (he hasn´t on stock) and have wait 6 weeks for refund watch. And it is also none-working. All in all 10 weeks for a watch and it´s not work. Sorry i am to lazy to send it again for a refund. I work 10-12 hours a day and have not the time for so much trouble. What should i say? Hey PT my watch don´t work again and again and again? It would be a never ending story. And i hate never ending storys. It is not PT´s fault... 50% of all new daytonas are none-working and demaged after few days. It was bad luck. Joshua has send me a watch. The watch arrived savely without customs problems. But watch has a defect (glass, case) so i have order a new watch. I wouldn´t send the watch for repair, because it takes to long time. I have need this watch for a gift and need it fast. So i have order a new watch. 2nd watch held by customs. It is not Joshuas fault. It is possible that your watch could held by german customs. It was bad luck. bad luck... not bad dealers. my thread is not to criticize any dealer here. I have ask for german users with similar customs problems and ask for a tip/advice, what i can do. NO MORE. regards Edited January 25, 2007 by tourbillon1801 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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