dutchguy2 Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) Hi every one. I am in the proces building a 16610 R series from arround 1988. First why this series, because of Tritium on dial and hands for that nice ivory vintage look. Second, I love drilled lugholes. Third, availability of SH/Yuki 3135 which can be modded with gen parts. And last but not least the availability of gen and aftermarket parts. So, what do I want to use and here you come in to play, every comment or suggestion is highly appriciated. - latest ST 16610 case or JF 16610 no rehaut. I have both incoming and would like to know which will be best. - SH/Yuki 3135 with all neccesary gen parts, I opted for the Hologramet package in the for sales part. - Gen bezel, retaining ring and inser with Tritium pearl. I have this all incoming but the insert has a pointy 4. - Gen crystal, no LEC no A/R, incoming - Gen crown and tube, incoming - Gen dial and hands, Tritium, still looking for - Gen date wheel 16200, incoming. But should I not get one whith open 6 and 9? What part number does it have? - First JF clasp and bracelet, later a change with Gen parts (but wich?) So, what do you think? Edited October 9, 2019 by dutchguy2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhead Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Hi Dutch I'm in the process of putting together a 16800 matte dial submariner, which would date it too 1980- 84. I have done numerous 4 digit builds but wanted the reliability of the saphire glass and click functioning bezel. While still having that matte dial vintage feel. I used the JF16610 as a base, Ado123 kindly drilled the case for me SH3135 serviced with Gen date disc, and complete Gen auto wind module Mq 16800 matte dial on Gen Beyeler plate gen tube and crown Gen tritium insert Franken 93150 WSO 580 endlinks Hopefully complete by next week I wish i had gone with the Startime case, because Ado had to follow the internal holes on the JF case and they are always a bit off (you maybe a bit luckier) In other words when you look at the side profile one hole is always a bit higher than the other. Only issue with the startime case is that there is no champher on the case edges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Thanks Denimhead. Please let us enjoy your finished 16800 when it is ready. So, if I understand correct the ST case may be the better choise if I manage to get campher on the case edges? I was thinking of doing a 16800 myself but none of the available cases do have the shorter 3035 movement rehauts. Thats why I went for the 16610. Any suggestion on who can work my case in the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 The older 3035 ST cases were pretty decent if you can find one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Ephry73 said: The older 3035 ST cases were pretty decent if you can find one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I know, I think I sold my last one to you a couple of years back 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhead Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 13 hours ago, dutchguy2 said: Thanks Denimhead. Please let us enjoy your finished 16800 when it is ready. So, if I understand correct the ST case may be the better choise if I manage to get campher on the case edges? I was thinking of doing a 16800 myself but none of the available cases do have the shorter 3035 movement rehauts. Thats why I went for the 16610. Any suggestion on who can work my case in the EU? Morning Dutch, The ST case takes the SH movement no problem, not sure about the rehaut depth on it though, as its a 16610 replacement. Yes you'd have to add chamfers. The JF 16610LN(not the LV) has a shorter rehaut, thats why i used it for my 16800 build. In terms of putting it all together then I'd suggest you contact Ado(Adrian) directly, he has his own modding section on here. He's based here in the UK. He is also known very well over on rwi. for his lug holes16600 builds. He can do verything down to serving the movement, build it. Case work etc The bloke in my eyes is a bloody genius Hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Perfect, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 For casework on Rolex there are a few EU-based modders: - ado213 is based in England (likely EU until 31st Oct bwahahaha)- Tripdog on RWI is based in France- Kilowattore on RWI is based in Italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 The new ST case will work with the clone 3135 but like you guys said, the rehaut is deeper. If you find an older ST case for the 3035, it will have the shallower rehaut but the 3135 stem won’t line up. A good case if you can find one is the old “Noobmariner” 16610 as they have a nice shallow rehaut. For my 16800 I used a JF v1 and shaved off the rehaut engraving and it’s a bit shallow like you want and still takes the 3135. You need to upgrade the bezel assembly though becasuse it’s junk. I don’t have an old noobmariner anymore but from what I remember it would be perfect for a 16800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Thanks guys. I am making good progress. Case is there and will most likely go to France for some spa. As soon I paid off the movement with parts it will go to Domi. Still looking for a flat 4 insert with tritium pearl. Maybe some one will trade one for a nice pointy 4 insert with tritium pearl? I have a bunch of gen crowns and crystals to choose from. Gen bezel, retaining ring and tube are there. Tritium dial and hands are free availabe on that action site but for a premium price. Still looking for cheaper stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) Two questions for you guys, 1. Which click spring is the best? 2. Would 593 end link fit an 16610? Or only 16800? Edited October 18, 2019 by dutchguy2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 It is very slow on response here! How come? Anyhow. Hand set is ordered. Dial is ordered. Both Tritium. Click sping ordered. Complete seal set is on its way. Movement is payed off and as soon I get it will go to Domi. That means all parts are here and the assembly can start as soon the movement is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhead Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 Can't wait to see the end result mate, cousins UK sell a gen spec click spring. Not sure on the endlinks. One thing to remember if your using the JF case. The drilled holes have to follow the inside holes as a guide, so you may have to slightly alter any endlink to fit the case. Hope that makes sense. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymanmatt Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 Did anyone advise on your click spring? If not I think you should go with the gen. The aftermarket click springs seem to loose tension. The material the gen is made from is stronger than the aftermarket. At least that's what I think. I've done a couple this year and after a couple of months, the bezels with the aftermarket have lost their snap when rotating. The gen continues to work properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 Roger, will search for a gen one. Thanks for the feedback. The 593 endlinks fit the ST case perfect. Decided to do the camfer on the ST case myself. They don't need to be that big for a 16610. And I want to give the case a worn but well cared for look. So a polish can be assumed making the camfer more like a bevel. Any thoughts on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheld Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 The 16800 came with 593s first, but then 501Bs. The 16610 came with 501Bs first. It stands to reason then that the 593 would fit the 16610. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Case is finished. Bracelet and camfer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 I make crappy pics. Here some details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Next to my 16610LV from JF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheld Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 5:49 AM, dutchguy2 said: 1988 bracelet would have an M date code. K is 1986. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 13 hours ago, cheld said: 1988 bracelet would have an M date code. K is 1986. Yes, I am aware of that. It normally if for an 16800. I will change the clasp with an O serial. And call it a 1990 ish 16610 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 I will also change the insert with a flat 4 one. Not sure if a closed 6&9 date wheel is correct for 1990. If any one has an anwser for that, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hologramet Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Need a tritium insert?Good luck with the build... it all looks quite impression.P.S.NOS 93150 with NOs 501B endlinks for about 200€. Basically free...https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F153595587794Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, hologramet said: Need a tritium insert? Good luck with the build... it all looks quite impression. P.S. NOS 93150 with NOs 501B endlinks for about 200€. Basically free... https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F153595587794 Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk Wow, are they GEN? I can't see the pics correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hologramet Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Yeah, gen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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