Mark Eleven Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) Which watches are widely considered to be "classics" among WIS? I believe many would probably agree that Omega Speedmaster and Rolex Sub are watches that all WIS "must have" in their collection. What other watches do you consider to be "classics" and to be included in your collection as a WIS? (I'm referring to both rep or gen). Edited January 22, 2007 by Mark Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvt Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I'm sure most would toss in at least one PAM< probably a 111 just to cover the basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Fiddy... A standard for any collection... TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I don't think that anyone can claim that any watch is a requirement for membership in the WIS charter. Look over at PMWF, and you'll find many savants...Most of them don't collect replicas, and many don't own a watch over $1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanerich Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I believe many would agree with me that Omega Speedmaster and Rolex Sub are watches that all WIS must have in their collection. What other watches do you think that must be included in a WIS's collection? (I'm referring to both rep or gen). I think if you are a WIS, the true must have (or holy grail) is a watch with the El Primero movement. Also, I'm not sure any rep is a "must have" in a WIS's collection, although certainly many WIS's own and enjoy reps. To me, gens and reps are like cars and motorcycles. Someone who is into one is often into the other, but there's no requirement that it be so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Fiddy... A standard for any collection... TT I really wish I could wear the Fiddy... I've tried on three separate occasions to purchase/wear and keep them, but they're just too silly on me I reckon the SMP Pro blue is a must have, at least for a rep WIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 i would say, if you are a sports watch guy a sub. a dress watch guy a datejust. like em or not both are iconic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I always ask myself "Will it see wrist time or not?" when I'm thinking about purchasing a new watch. There are lots of models that I really like... like TAG Carrera, Bell & Ross, ExpII, Railmaster and Mont Blanc GMT, but I don't think I'll purchase one. Navi is a legendary watch model. But as much as I like the Navi... it just never felt "right" on my wrist. I really like the Carrera too, but I think the design is maybe a bit too ordinary... and the wrist presence probably wouldn't be that impressive. It's just the "gut feeling" I have. Best advice is to go to the AD and try different watches. Then buy a rep. It's impossible to give advice to others... It's like asking "what music I should buy?" Never buy any watch just because you "think you should own one". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devedander Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) I am not a WIS and I doubt this is a watch anyone is likely to be getting for their collection (even the Smithsonian displays a rep), so I hope I am not speaking out of line here but as far as a watch I would want for more than aesthetic value, I would love to have one of these As much as I agree with the whole "soul" of a mechanical watch, there is something to be said about the first consumer level stab at the heart of the mechanical world... And one that IS attainable (kind of) that I think would be a nice addition to any collection is also a Seiko Almost a full circle, a meeting of the realms of the quartz and mechanical worlds... Edited January 22, 2007 by Devedander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Eleven Posted January 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) I'll re-phrase the question. I'm not referring to any watches that MUST be in anybody's collection,... one man's meat is another man's poison.... What I meant was which watches are widely considered to be "classics" among forumers here as WIS? IMHO, I'll put Omega Speedmaster Pro and Rolex Sub for their long history. Which other watches would you consider "classics" that you'd put in your collection? Edited January 22, 2007 by Mark Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 watches are widely considered to be "classics" among forumers here as WIS? I don't consider myself a WIS, and I don't own any watches that a WIS would deem essential as a replica wouldn't suit the purpose: the point of a classic is the mechanics, surely. However, historically, I would count the MoonWatch and a 1680 Sub or 1665 Sea-dweller. More recently, I would count an IWC Titanium chrono, like the Porsche, GST or Aquatimer, purely for the ground-breaking titanium design, and the fact I'm an IWC fan. I'm unconvinced a WIS would go for a modern PAM, as the older ones are where the history is, but I can see them going for the Seiko Spring Drive and an Omega Co-Axial, like the PO, unusually. And yes, maybe a Zenith El Primero, if only they made good-looking ones back in the day, instead the WIS would be more likely to get a Daytona. So, yes, of the mass-produced available watches, it's all rolex, omega and seiko. However, I'd bet if you asked them, they'd be all Blancpain, Breguet, etc. Now, rephounds are different, and we need a Panerai, a Sub, a Meega and a nod to a dress watch somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 PAM fever - relatively recent phenomenon. Riding the crest of a fashion wave. NOT classic. I'd agree about Submariner and Datejust. Like or loathe, they are instantly recognisable by the majority of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonthebhoy Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Daytona leopard print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usil Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 (edited) PAM 111h PAM 212 Fiddy Breitling Navitimer Breitling Chrono Avenger Breitling Chronomat Evolution IWC GST (Ti) IWC F.A. Jones IWC Big Pilot (when it comes out in improved version) Sub Daytona Omega Seamaster Chronograph Omega Planet Ocean Usil Edited January 22, 2007 by Usil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 PAM fever - relatively recent phenomenon. Riding the crest of a fashion wave. NOT classic. ... and a manual Unitas movement? What's that all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsons Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Mark, that would be a huge list to cover them all. A small sample: . Heuer: All the pre-Tag models and highly collectible and have a cult following specially, the Carrera & Steve McQueen or anything with the VJ-72. The Tag Heuer 1964 re-editions are also collectible & cosidered classics. Interestingly, one of the most collectible Carreras is a blue sub- dial model manufactured by Heuer exclusively for Abercrombie & Fitch. Omega- Seamaster 300. A classic diver and father of the PO. Tudor: Specially the plastic crystal Submariners, pre-Tiger Chronos and Monte Carlo. The latter is one rare collectible classic. On a side note, I wonder how Ubi is coming along with the Monte Carlo project. Zenith- De Luca-Marvelous chrono with the El Primero which bears a very strong resemblance to the Daytona. These things are skyrocketing in value. Anthing vintage with the El Primero is highly sought after. Jaeger Le Coultre-Memovox and Reverso. These are the JLC hallmarks. IWC-Anything with the caliber 89. Cartier-Tank Francaise. Instantly recognizeable as a Cartier. Breitling-Vintage chronos with plastic crystal. Reps: TW Best 16610-Discontinued. Pam 029 & 063 with the 2893-2 movement. Specially the fist editions with correct case back-Discontinued. Omega Seamaster and 40th Anniversary 007 from the old factory-Discontinued. Pam 196 with the old accurate case & ETA 7753-Discontinued TW Best GMT Master with 2893-2- not an easy find Breitling-Massive Titanium case beast-Discontinued. Planet Ocean- 42mm plus 45mm ultimate- Available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 ... and a manual Unitas movement? What's that all about? I was going to suggest PAM is like Range Rover - a utilitarian device that has taken on fashion status and grown into a parody of what it was for people who completely missed the point. But it isn't even like that, it's more like the Hummer pastiches built on humble road car chassis ie. no real pedigree at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Reps: TW Best 16610-Discontinued. Pam 029 & 063 with the 2893-2 movement. Specially the fist editions with correct case back-Discontinued. Omega Seamaster and 40th Anniversary 007 from the old factory-Discontinued. Pam 196 with the old accurate case & ETA 7753-Discontinued TW Best GMT Master with 2893-2- not an easy find Breitling-Massive Titanium case beast-Discontinued. Planet Ocean 45mm ultimate- Available. IWC GST Chrono, discontinued but some still available Omega Moonwatch (ST19, domed crystal), discontinued but some still available an MBW, for better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I think it depends on the WIS. There is a whole school of folks who focus only on movements and as such 99% of what we buy rep or gen would not qualify. Rolex has largely not done anything original since 1999 (in-house Daytona movement), PAM just came up with their first dedicated movement (8 days) which looks to me to be a mod of the Jaeger LeCoultre movement). You get my drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estaban Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Rolex Sub/Air King, Omega SMP/Speedmaster, Breitling Navitimer, and IWC Ingenieur are all classics with a lengthy heritage. Cartier Tank, Breguet Classic, Jaeger LeCoultre and Heuer chronos all come to mind as well. You could add Jacob & Co as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I think it depends on the WIS. There is a whole school of folks who focus only on movements and as such 99% of what we buy rep or gen would not qualify. Rolex has largely not done anything original since 1999 (in-house Daytona movement), PAM just came up with their first dedicated movement (8 days) which looks to me to be a mod of the Jaeger LeCoultre movement). You get my drift. Yeah, there ain't very many WIS's 'round here, sadly. Real WIS's, at least as I understand the term, actually understand FP Journe's ad copy, for example, which I bet not too many folks who frequent this board do. In the general watch community the WIS "honor" is reserved for people who not only know all various variations of esoteric watches, but how they work, too. The good news is that there are dozens of dudes who's cumulative knowledge comes pretty close to rep omniscience. As far as classics, go, it's a matter of taste: My #1 is the Muller Crazy Hours, which seems to be no longer made. Nearly 1:1 in the versions that the gen was made in SS, and pretty damn reliable for an asian movement further messed with by a rep factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I don't consider myself a WIS, and I don't own any watches that a WIS would deem essential as a replica wouldn't suit the purpose: the point of a classic is the mechanics, surely. @Scoop You may not be a WIS... But you're definitely a PIS... TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 But you're definitely a PIS... I'm a [censored]-artist, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 probably a patek phillippe of some sort and of course what WIS collection is complete without an el primero? PAMs if they are you know...........cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Fiddy... A standard for any collection... TT nice shot here TT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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