PO 007 from Trusty

[FxrAndy]

Thing is he is a been a member since 20 dec 06, so has had plenty of time to read, every one is entitled to an oppinion, but do me a favour, keep it to your self. And if you dont like being told to do so. in the words of another member " dont go away mad, just go away"

Now bacy to watches, is this the same one that we are going to see from our other dealer? Please sort out the logo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest TTK]

PO 007....cheesier than a bag of Quavers that've been dipped in Chio cheese dip and then sprinkled with cheese and served on a cheese pizza base.....did I say it was cheesy.......?

As for potential owners....they belong to a special club.......the f'n daydreamers club.....or as it's known......I'm living in my own fantasy world.....and it's constructed on a set at Pinewood.....and I'm the main character....James Bond..........or as we really see them....Basildon Bond......just as funny......BTW.....did I mention it's a cheesy watch....and that most people who deeeeeesire it.........prolly stick Mars bars up their ass to taste them......!

Edited March 26, 2007 by TTK

[FxrAndy]

LOL thanks Neil,

gouda any one.

[JohnnyChingas]

Don't you just love a newbie who (a) thinks every forum he joins came into being the moment they arrived and ( doesn't appreciate the irony of their own posts.

So because you have a post count over 1,000 I guess this makes you a professional?

Post count is for postwhores and people like you who think establishing themselves in a forum on the internet makes them so knowledgable.

You don't have to say it because your attitude says it all.....

This forum for the record you brought up has existed before me obviously. I don't know it all and I can admit everyday I learn something new.

I dig replicas and what they do. I'm not made of money so I don't buy gens anymore.

I guess without having a post count over 1,000 I can't fully appreciate the irony of my own posts and yours!

What I do see is Daniel Craig as your avatar.

The fact is I don't need to know anyone on this board to understand why they buy or collect reps.

If you can't admit you wear a FAKE watch to garner the attention it brings to only pass it along as a fake unless a well informed watchsmith, dealer or sales associate could tell the difference it seems the former is the truth.

Everyone has a little replica in them. Admit it!

Women that are bald want hair, flat chested woman want a boob job, the list goes on. In this case you can have a decent quality replica (which is still fake) at a fraction of what a gen lists for. I know I had a piece of shoe LV fake I wore sometimes when I wore the real LV on weekends.

I don't see why people are so defensive?

I don't think people can handle the truth from a "newbie."

@JohnnyChingas - go read, read, and read again some of the most popular threads in here and then if you think it is still necessary come asking your questions. In the meantime stop wasting your time and ours.

If I had wasted your precious time along with the others I do apologize.

Why are you so abrasive?

Do you have an appendices for the "popular threads?"

You obviously skimmed thru my last post because you didn't answer my questions.

You probably couldn't answer them.

[cornerstone]

Women that are bald want hair

:cc_confused:

PS I'm James Bond, and so's my wife!

[JohnnyChingas]

A Lot of people collect reps because they could never afford a number of watches they want to have, i have a couple of gens but could never afford the 12 reps that i have in gen as well. I try to fool no one except my self, if some one admires what i am wearing i will tell them it is a rep and even tell them the faults with it. I do want a Bond PO not because i think i am JB or want to fool people i am, but because i am a bit of a JB fan, (i am getting a 007 dupont and when it is out also the vintage sub)

Thats cool man. I am also a fan of James Bond. If I could get my hands on that Aston Martin he drives in Casino Royale I would think I'm Bond though!

Don't let TTK hurt your feelings!

I was going to get the regular PO 45mm but after I saw the 007 watch I think I'm gonna get one just to [censored] em off! j/k

So JonnyC your oppinion is only that, and thinking that you know every ones motivation for buying reps the ony person you fool is your self!

If you want to understand this hobby as you state then stop thinking you know why we buy them, if you will never be happy with an imitation then what are you doing here in the first place?

I was wrong, and it was foolish for me (see the irony) in my post to group everyone together who owns/collects reps.

I never said I will never be happy with an imitation.

I learned to live with the inherent flaws and I wondered why no one else did so, OR they do and I missed it!

I am here to learn, educate myself and buy.

I ordered the 007 watch and already ordered the Rubber strap from an AD I know in Costa Mesa.

I'd rather have the gen but I need to pay the bills.

I plan on getting the Hublot BB SS.

It isn't 100% accurate but the craftsmanship than went into the watch is awesome.

I wish they repped the Rolex's better. I dislike the rehaut, dial text and pearl. Even the modded ones don't look gen BUT I see they still look fantastic!

Once again after re-reading everything I want to say my bad to all.

If you guys don't buy reps for passing them as real would you care to enlighten me why you would by a rep in the firstplace?

I am actually being sincere here, I can't fathom the notion of not buying a near exact copy without trying to pass it as real.

Edited March 26, 2007 by JohnnyChingas

[FxrAndy]

Thank you for the above post Jonny

The reason that people are abrasive or defencive is because you voiced your oppinions about the personalitys and reasons for wearing a rep when you can not possibly know why we do it because we could all have totaly different reasons for it. If you have an oppinion about a watch or tools or a dealer you have had dealing with then we will happily read it but keep you oppinions about members here you your self.

edited due to above post.

[JohnnyChingas]

:cc_confused:

PS I'm James Bond, and so's my wife!

I know personally African American Women that get hair weaves...

Have you ever seen em without the weave????

[cornerstone]

I am actually being sincere here, I can't fathom the notion of not buying a near exact copy without trying to pass it as real.

Well, for example, if you like the watches (as in "I want it!") this way you can have 20 watches, say, instead of only being able to afford one. You can have more of them.

I know personally African American Women that get hair weaves...

Have you ever seen em without the weave????

Whoa, if you get a chick back home and the hair comes off, that's a dude!

[r11co]

As for potential owners....they belong to a special club.......the f'n daydreamers club.....or as it's known......I'm living in my own fantasy world.....and it's constructed on a set at Pinewood.....and I'm the main character....James Bond..........or as we really see them....Basildon Bond......

Actually, I see myself more as Moneypenny......

(and the watch stinks...)

[TeeJay]

I thought it was obvious.

I like the idea of wearing a similarly looking/ made product at about a tenth of the original's list price...That being said I know for a fact a replica WILL have flaws. If you get a 'perfect' looking identical rep then that is awesome for you!

Please don't tell me you collect replicas knowing there isn't a direct connection between looking like you wear the authentic version....Because IF are going to tell me you wear/collect replicas because you are an "enthusiast" you are just plain FOS.

You BECAME an enthusiast looking at/purchasing replicas after the fact. Not before...

If you collect them then hey, man thats cool, collecting imitations but for those, who wish to wear these "fakes" you are clearly out to misrepresent the fake you purchased AS an original.

If that is really the case, why the hostility? With all due respect, you come across as a troll out to get a bite.

Yet again, you make assumptions about people's motivations. I've been interested in watches all my life, and when I was younger, tended to buy a new one at least every two years, one year, I actually bought three new watches in a year. I couldn't care less if a watch looks like a high end brand to make someone else think I'm wearing that brand, I like the look of certain watches (Submariner, Planet Ocean) but am not prepared to pay the artificially inflated costs, so instead, I buy the most similar thing. Most similar thing as in closest details to the original. I could buy an Alpha or C-OMEX clone, but, their label is an inaccurate detail to the label on the original, so they are not watches I would consider. My tollerance for replicas comes from my collection of sci-fi memorabelia. The very nature of the interest means that owning the screen-used item is nigh on impossible, so everyone else with that hobby, has to make do with replicas of those props/costumes, and at conventions, people don't go up to each other saying "That's not Ewan McGregor's screen-used lightsaber, so your costume sucks", they accept that everyone's stuff is replica and deal with it. As far as I'm concerned, these watches are 'things that tell the time'. If someone wants to assume I own a Rolex or an Omega, good for them. If they asked me if it was genuine, I would tell them that it wasn't. The only thing I want to 'fool' with these watches, is my own eye. I know they're not genuine, so there's no point in trying to convince myself otherwise, and I certainly wouldn't try to pass it off as an original to anyone else. Don't believe that and think I'm FOS, good for you, your opinion is not really that important to me.

I agree to an extent.

Example: I owned and sold a real Green Submariner LV....

The replicas do not look the same at all. They are similar but QC and better sourced parts OWNED the reps I have seen. I have read countless stories of people unintentionally fooling AD's of their watches true origin because they thought it looked that good.

I can assure you I can tell and that is why it is very hard in my eyes to fool people when they can't even get the rehault,exact text and SEl problem fixed on any replica. If they did I would wear it easily. Not to mention the wrong hour markers.....

I registered to buy replicas.

And I have been very apprehensive doing so due to certain problems i.e;the same problems you and others look at when critiquing prospective watch purchases.....

Some replicas are better than others. Some are more accurate, some less so. When I took my Submariner into a watchmakers to have a loose piece of luminous material re-cemented, when I collected it, he asked me about it and said that had he not had to open the back, he would have thought the watch was completely genuine. My Planet Ocean has details on the the dial that are totally inaccurate to the original, and those would be instantly spotted by anyone with a little product knowledge. The point I'm trying to make, is that the average joe has little to no product knowledge. Even a salesperson in an Omega AD I was in on thursday had to be shown which watch was the Limited Edition Plane Ocean 45. Not exactly reassuring. The only people who know these specific details, are watch enthusiasts. I bet if you were to ask Neil Armstrong the ins and outs of his Moonwatch he probably wouldn't know (or care) as it was just a tool he had to use. In most people's minds, Rolex = Fake. Any other brand, and people are not even going to consider that it might not be the genuine watch unless the details are totally sloppy, because they don't know any different. Most people do not even know what the correct rehaut or text should look like, and as for the SEL issue, unless someone takes the watch off their wrist and hands it over, how are they even going to notice it at a passing glance?

To be honest, you sound like someone who would not be satisfied with anything less than 100% accuracy, so the great majority of reps simply do not fall under that catagory, so the chances of you being satisfied with them are slim. I've read on genuine watch forums how people have bought 'their first Rolex', and absolutely scrutinized and picked it apart (visually speaking) and then tried complaining about any perceived flaw, only to be told that their complaints are unreasonable, as their expectations (of even a genuine watch) are unreasonable.

2nd, you are not James Bond.

I never said or thought I was. I am someone who collects movie memorabelia. I do not like 'Limited Edition' releases of things as they are inaccurate to the screen-used props. Simple as that.

Nor is Daniel Craig.

No, he is the actor who portrayed him in the last movie. What is your point?

No doubt sales of gen PO's have probably increased since Casino Royale came out But Daniel Craig wore a REAL Planet Ocean. Not a replica.

It is cool I guess if you want to sport a 45mm PO with the correct strap and logo on the dial.

After reading your post I now understand why it has been ripped.

James Bond would never sport a watch with 007.

James Bond would never sport a REPLICA either.

Glad you understand why it has been ripped. As for it being real, and stating James Bond would never wear a replica (I quite agree) consider 24's Jack Bauer. Keiffer Sutherland is wearing a replica Rolex Submariner. Would Keiffer Sutherland need to wear a replica? Would Jack Bauer need to wear a replica? No, both could afford the real thing. It is considered a prop, and suspension of disbelief makes it real. By your rather narrow logic, my Submariner cannot be the same as James Bond's watch because his is real, but it can be the same as Jack Bauer's because his is fake. Rolex would not issue a watch to the production of Doctor No, so they had to use the producer's watch. From what I understand, both George Lazenby and Timothy Dalton both wore their own personal watches. Casino Royale was paid for by product placement. Rolex did not want to contribute, so they stuck with Omega, who would. If I'd been the producer, I'd've put a Rolex replica on Craig's wrist to spite the company, and point out that Bond was originally written wearing a Rolex, and as with 24, this would be a prop.

The 007 is just a commemoration piece. To each his own man.

The commemorative pieces are made and sold for the very reason you said about replicas:

to fool the unsuspecting admirerer.

Omega have a whole range of watches that are considered 'Bond watches', but the fact remains that the only Omega watches that are true Bond watches, are the Omega Seamaster (2531.80 and 2541.80) The Planet Ocean 45mm, and the latest model Seamaster with the Co-Axial movement, as those are the only watches which appeared on James Bond's wrist. Anything else, is just a marketting ploy to make the company more money.

I didn't post to argue. I wanted to understand the logic in buying a rep that will always be, (no matter how good it's been made or how good it's materials are) an imitation.

It certainly sounded like you posted to argue. That answer probably differs for just about everyone posting on the forum. As I said above, from collecting sci-fi memorabelia, I am quite used to purchasing items that are 'only imitations', so it doesn't bother me at all. As long as it looks accurate to my eye, that's all that concerns me (because I like details to be accurate, not because I want others to think it is genuine) How other people choose to view my watches, and the assumptions they choose to make, are entirely their own affair and none of my concern. If they ask, they'll be told the truth.

Reps are made for whatever reason the manuf's decide.

Why they are purchased however, for whatever reason is to fool the unsuspecting admirerer.

Reps are made, for the same reason gens are made: To bring in money. In some cases, they are made to fool the unsuspecting admirer, as a watch enthusiast really should know the accurate details of the watch they like. The reason they are purchased, however, varies from person to person. Some people buy them to 'look flash', some people buy them as daily beaters so their gens don't have to take the day to day abuse, some people buy them because they like how they look, and in that instance, wether it is genuine or replica is irrelevent, as the only thing that matters, is that the owner takes pleasure in owning it.

[jonthebhoy]

So because you have a post count over 1,000 I guess this makes you a professional?

Post count is for postwhores and people like you who think establishing themselves in a forum on the internet makes them so knowledgable.

You don't have to say it because your attitude says it all.....

What I do see is Daniel Craig as your avatar.

The fact is I don't need to know anyone on this board to understand why they buy or collect reps.

You obviously skimmed thru my last post because you didn't answer my questions.

You probably couldn't answer them.

Wrong on all counts.

For the record - the making of a good member is someone who is prepared to put time into learning the subject and in getting to know the established members on the forum with a modicum of respect and deference to the fact that they, in most cases, have got through these two important phases way before you. On both counts you have a long ways to go.

JTB

[JohnnyChingas]

Wrong on all counts.

For the record - the making of a good member is someone who is prepared to put time into learning the subject and in getting to know the established members on the forum with a modicum of respect and deference to the fact that they, in most cases, have got through these two important phases way before you. On both counts you have a long ways to go.

JTB

Thank you for telling me what I need to do to become a good member lol!

I'll be sure to ask for your opinion next time as I was talking to other people involved with the discussion.

Thanks for chiming in and showing me the way.

Are you a moderator or something? Because it sounds like you like giving advice when it isn't asked.

My initial comments were harsh. Clearly I apologized and subsequently acknowledged my faults relative to this discussion.

For the record I didn't ask you. I guess since you have 3,000+ posts you can just tell people what they need to do.

Noted.

I have extensive knowledge in replicas. I don't have the time to post 10-20 times a day like you may do.

Does that mean you are more qualified than me because I'm a newb?

Your post count is higher- not your I.Q.

I am in no way questioning your intelligence, just making a point.

I don't like being told what I think or feel based on your opinion of me.

My statements were messed up, and I thought I apologized. Maybe I should edit the post to include my recent words or maybe you like to argue and purpetuate updated posts?

May I ask WHY you by replicas?

Do you wear them in public?

To AD's?

Why do you buy them?

I plan on buying a plethora of reps. But I have hesitated because there are things I can live with and cannot. Obvious flaws I had already pointed out come to mind on Rolex reps.

You undoubtedly know more than me-this I know for sure when it comes to reps. I may know a lot but not more than you or the others that are on this site each day....

I read up on info and try to narrow down my choices.

Are there any High quality reps you recommend that are out there?

(my feeble attempt at breaking the ice with you)

Edited March 26, 2007 by JohnnyChingas

[cornerstone]

Are you a moderator or something?

[JohnnyChingas]

No, he is the actor who portrayed him in the last movie. What is your point?

Glad you understand why it has been ripped. As for it being real, and stating James Bond would never wear a replica (I quite agree) consider 24's Jack Bauer. Keiffer Sutherland is wearing a replica Rolex Submariner.

COncerning the remark you made about the older Bond films. I can't comment on.

24 however is my favorite show of all time! Are you talking about Season 1?

Yeah those funny prop guys. Last season he wore this MTM Special Ops watch. It's pretty tight-USA made, swiss quartz mov't....

I would think people, when they watch on the big screen VS the TV would have been more inclined to buy into the whole Omega placement thing than TV because TV shows like 24 use commercials to sell. Rolex probably didn't back the show regarding season one which is why I never saw a single Rolex ad for Fox, hence using a replica.

It is considered a prop, and suspension of disbelief makes it real. By your rather narrow logic, my Submariner cannot be the same as James Bond's watch because his is real, but it can be the same as Jack Bauer's because his is fake.

Yes it is a prop. Kiefer switched more watch brands than Allen Iversons crossover.

Fact is in 24 the show never blatantly used the Rolex, rep or not as a watch "Jack Bauer" officailly wears.

The MTM watch has been in numerous cam shots throughout and can be purchased through Fox.com.

My only point I was trying to get at was with Casino Royale they as you said had Omega product placement.

Showing the public among other watches that Bond wears a PO 45mm without a 007 logo anywhere on the watch right?

So by wearing a PO 45mm rep I found it funny because Bond, being "the man with the best gear" would never wear a rep.

If you are a BOND fan, and a fan of Casino Royale I understand the distaste for the commemorative version.

But I would think it would be logically just as narrow to sport a rep that was copied as a rep, in which Bond fans(specifically) would want to wear, subsequently wearing a replica Bond, being of such good taste would never wear in the first place. I still got one though because it looks great!

The commemorative pieces are made and sold for the very reason you said about replicas:

as the only thing that matters, is that the owner takes pleasure in owning it.

I agree with you. If you enjoy it then that is all that matters in the end.

Peace?

[jonthebhoy]

Are you a moderator or something? Because it sounds like you like giving advice when it isn't asked.

My case doth rest!

JTB

[r11co]

Are you a moderator or something?

Yes he is. That tag under his avatar is there to inform you of that.

And you, sir, are an idiot.

[TeeJay]

COncerning the remark you made about the older Bond films. I can't comment on.

24 however is my favorite show of all time! Are you talking about Season 1?

To be honest, I've never seen an episode. I was refering purely to the information I have read on forums that Jack Bauer has a replica Submariner, and that it is considered 'a prop' rather than 'a fake'. The point I'm trying to make, is that Rolex, as a company, do not 'do' product placement.

Yeah those funny prop guys. Last season he wore this MTM Special Ops watch. It's pretty tight-USA made, swiss quartz mov't....

I would think people, when they watch on the big screen VS the TV would have been more inclined to buy into the whole Omega placement thing than TV because TV shows like 24 use commercials to sell. Rolex probably didn't back the show regarding season one which is why I never saw a single Rolex ad for Fox, hence using a replica.

Yes it is a prop. Kiefer switched more watch brands than Allen Iversons crossover.

Fact is in 24 the show never blatantly used the Rolex, rep or not as a watch "Jack Bauer" officailly wears.

The MTM watch has been in numerous cam shots throughout and can be purchased through Fox.com.

The thing is though, Rolex do not advertise full stop. They do not 'do' product placement. They also do not sell their products online, hence why there is no tie in to Fox.com. Any Rolex watch you see on screen will either a) have been purchassed by the wardrobe/props department, or, b ) is the personal property of either the actor, or one of the crew. Ever watch Stargate Atlantis? The watch Sheppard wears is about $800. As a production company, I'm sure they have the cash to spring for one of those for the actor to wear, but, it is a tad unsusual for them to spend so much money on a non-essential prop. My guess, is it either belongs to the actor, or, it's a replica. Take the pilot episode of Miami Vice. Before Jimmy Smits gets blown up, the guy says how he was thinking of getting a Presidential, but it just 'screams dealer'. Take a look at his wrist. He is wearing a Presidential... Ferrari specifically sprayed a car white to appear in later episodes of the show, but I'll bet Rolex never provided a watch for Don Johnson to wear.

My only point I was trying to get at was with Casino Royale they as you said had Omega product placement.

Showing the public among other watches that Bond wears a PO 45mm without a 007 logo anywhere on the watch right?

So by wearing a PO 45mm rep I found it funny because Bond, being "the man with the best gear" would never wear a rep.

Casino Royale had Omega product placement. If it did not, however, there would be nothing preventing the production using a replica watch as a prop. Kill Bill for example, and Uma Thurman's replica Daytona. The character James Bond would never wear a replica. But. That would not mean that Daniel Craig portraying James Bond could not wear a replica intended to be genuine, in the same way Keifer Sutherland portraying Jack Bauer wore a replica intended to be genuine. If Omega had not given them a watch to use, they might indeed have had to use a replica.

If you are a BOND fan, and a fan of Casino Royale I understand the distaste for the commemorative version.

But I would think it would be logically just as narrow to sport a rep that was copied as a rep, in which Bond fans(specifically) would want to wear, subsequently wearing a replica Bond, being of such good taste would never wear in the first place.

My distaste for commemorative, or more simply, inaccurate merchandise, extends to all aspects of collecting. I think the Hasbro toy lightsabers available are a joke, and an insult to the intelligence of the people who buy them, as they are wildly inaccurate to the screen-used props. I view it as little more than 'shooting fish in a barrel' because they know that people will still buy them. I have similar distaste for Rolex as a company, because they only produce a set number of peices per year, and only issue two Daytonas to each dealer, so they can create a false exclusivity for their product by making sure supply never meets or exeeds demand. This is why, as much as I like the aesthetics of Submariners, I would never buy a genuine one, because I disagree with the business practices of the company.

As far as I'm concerned, replica watches provide the aesthetics of the genuine watches for a reasonable price. Unless someone has the kind of money P Diddy has, they are not going to be able to afford a dozen high-end watches to swap out every day. But. Having that money, and buying that product, does not give the person class. Half the gangsta rappers out there would pay the same price for a rep as they would for a genuine watch, and would not even know the difference. They view them as status symbols, but that's just that mentality all over. All flash, no class.

Again, Bond would never wear a rep, but neither would Jack Bauer, yet, Keifer still had one on his arm... Just a case of one production having more money for props than another.

I agree with you. If you enjoy it then that is all that matters in the end.

Peace?

Absolutely. Peace out.

[spa]

it's raining here today..

[Pugwash]

Post count is for postwhores and people like you who think establishing themselves in a forum on the internet makes them so knowledgable.

You don't have to say it because your attitude says it all.....

There you go generalising again.

Damn, how did I not see this thread? I can't believe I missed a good fight!

Some people, like me, post a lot because we've got a lot to say. Look at the top twenty posters on this forum and over half of them are exceedingly knowledgeable and make this forum the kind of place you can read genuinely useful information, for free. To blanket-paint them all with broad sweeping strokes is not very polite. I don't come into your neighbourhood and start insulting your friends with generalisations, so please treat this forum like our neighbourhood. If you want to hang out with the cool kids, you'd best start acting cool.

No wonder you got into a lot of fights 'in the street'.

[spa]

Some people, like me, post a lot because we've got a lot to say.

dunno about you, but I post to reach Pugwash's post count

[FxrAndy]

dunno about you, but I post to reach Pugwash's post count

Well you are only a few short keep going, do you think you will ever make it?

(just to give you a reason to answer)

[spa]

Well you are only a few short keep going, do you think you will ever make it?

(just to give you a reason to answer)

Well dunno really,

...but your quote gave me one more...

[FxrAndy]

Well dunno really,

...but your quote gave me one more...

Hey me too!

just call me a [censored]!

[Pugwash]

just call me a [censored]!

That makes me your pimp.