COOP Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 RWI is on page 4 now. Lots of opions, but no looney bin this time. I dont post here muc(if ever?) But I love reps and watches, I hope this gets better, things could get quite ugly. What up Pugs! Miss ya over there, but I may have to do some more posting abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Still on page 4, but apparently I have to stop by here and tell people to keep it civil. And enough with the swearing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 What up Pugs! Miss ya over there, but I may have to do some more posting abroad. Hey! I see you brought Ms Ricci with you Yes, that really was your first post here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOP Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Gotta have Ms Ricci with me! Yeah, 1st post here, I only have a few on the TRC as well, I just dont have the time to bounce between all these boards! Plus I type really slow, a which is a real deficit when posting lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepshow Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I have seen Joshua state in threads on RWI that certain dealers can't supply this or that watch because "we have an exclusive agreement with the manufacturer" and then Trusty says anyone can buy them? Odd, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 And you realize the movement in it is not an ETA 2892 as was advertised correct??? This is the freekin crap were talking about here. Naieve, happy, serene ...and duped! I think you forgot to add "and not that concerned about it". [censored], the [censored]er looks great! (language you guys understand). http://watchwindersworld.com/omse10022-aqu...892-p-1434.html I can't help myself as I am ingnorant. the site advertises the watch movement as 2892-2 which my understanding is an asian copy of ETA. I have been told the actual movement is Seagul. I have also heard the Seagul movement is pretty good. Crystal has said The Zigmeister feels it is a piece of crap. The point is this: I bought a rep to LOOK like the gen. If I wanted a good watch for the money I would but a casio quartz. The reason i have no problem here is because they had to use the Seagul (if that is what it is) with silver movement to look like gen becuase it has display caseback and gen is silver (vs. ETA which is gold). Now, Josh should have said what the movement was vs ETA 2892-2, I agree, but would not have influenced buying decision. Sorry to [censored] you guys off. Infact, the reason I did not get SMP GMT is because the ETA in that display caseback is gold and gen is silver. dead giveaway and useless to me. I think we ask alot from these dealers in terms of getting the watches to be exactly like gen and we have to balance quality for asthetics. Bottom line is the piece cost 270 bucks. To me that's an investment in a fun hobbie to a watch that looks great. I will let everyone know when it fails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 kanerich- Very well said... Deliver what you say... Say what you'll do. Charge appropriately. It's easy math... Aye exactly! I think the sub-forum mentioed earlier is a good idea, as is asking dealers to include pics of movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tracy Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I believe the solution here is simply to have more dealers (who are unaffiliated). Good idea,.. however they would need to then go through an initiation period to test them. Some members will either get a deal or get ripped,.. remember Sichaun ? I think we need to promote the honest dealers we already know,.. however have them clean up, or upgrade their methods,.. as we will have power to funnel more business like never before... or take it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I think you forgot to add "and not that concerned about it". [censored], the [censored]er looks great! (language you guys understand). http://watchwindersworld.com/omse10022-aqu...892-p-1434.html I can't help myself as I am ingnorant. the site advertises the watch movement as 2892-2 which my understanding is an asian copy of ETA. I have been told the actual movement is Seagul. I have also heard the Seagul movement is pretty good. Crystal has said Ziggy feels it is a piece of crap. The point is this: I bought a rep to LOOK like the gen. If I wanted a good watch for the money I would but a casio quartz. The reason i have no problem here is because they had to use the Seagul (if that is what it is) with silver movement to look like gen becuase it has display caseback and gen is silver (vs. ETA which is gold). Now, Josh should have said what the movement was vs ETA 2892-2, I agree, but would not have influenced buying decision. Sorry to [censored] you guys off. Infact, the reason I did not get SMP GMT is because the ETA in that display caseback is gold and gen is silver. dead giveaway and useless to me. I think we ask alot from these dealers in terms of getting the watches to be exactly like gen and we have to balance quality for asthetics. Bottom line is the piece cost 270 bucks. To me that's an investment in a fun hobbie to a watch that looks great. I will let everyone know when it fails That's as maybe, but, if someone advertises something as being X rather than Y, they should sell the customer X rather than Y, not sell them Z and hope no one finds out, or isn't prepared to go through the rigmarole of returns/replacement and make do with what they've got. It's a case of being honest and ethical, not mis-representing a product or selling it at a ludicrous price, which is precicely the reason this forum was created. To advise and protect. Sure, dealing in reps is illegal, but there is still such a thing as 'honor among thieves', especially when people are dealing in an honest manner, and expect to be dealt with in an honest manner. Just my .2c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I think you forgot to add "and not that concerned about it". [censored], the [censored]er looks great! (language you guys understand). http://watchwindersworld.com/omse10022-aqu...892-p-1434.html I can't help myself as I am ingnorant. the site advertises the watch movement as 2892-2 which my understanding is an asian copy of ETA. I have been told the actual movement is Seagul. I have also heard the Seagul movement is pretty good. Crystal has said The Zigmeister feels it is a piece of crap. The point is this: I bought a rep to LOOK like the gen. If I wanted a good watch for the money I would but a casio quartz. The reason i have no problem here is because they had to use the Seagul (if that is what it is) with silver movement to look like gen becuase it has display caseback and gen is silver (vs. ETA which is gold). Now, Josh should have said what the movement was vs ETA 2892-2, I agree, but would not have influenced buying decision. Sorry to [censored] you guys off. Infact, the reason I did not get SMP GMT is because the ETA in that display caseback is gold and gen is silver. dead giveaway and useless to me. I think we ask alot from these dealers in terms of getting the watches to be exactly like gen and we have to balance quality for asthetics. Bottom line is the piece cost 270 bucks. To me that's an investment in a fun hobbie to a watch that looks great. I will let everyone know when it fails Under your logic replica house the people that 700 bucks for a cheap sub, is also "ok" Look, if he had advertised the watch with the crap movement in it thats there, it would have been 100 bucks less. The problem is not the price, the problem is the lie. The Zigmeister thinks the seagull movement is fine. The Zigmeister thinks some of the new asian copies of eta's are fine. The Zigmeister even likes an assortment of asian movements. But these are bottom of the barrel asians at least the ones we know about. look, the dealers have access to this forum. We are fish in a barrel, suckers, every last one of us. And we cut off other dealers so that these guys who we have worked with gets all the business funneled their way. As part of the unwritten deal, they are not supposed to screw us. Turns out, they have been scamming lately. - its not ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 kanerich- Very well said... Deliver what you say... Say what you'll do. Charge appropriately. It's easy math... Kanerich put it far more eloquently than me, but I said the same thing a few pages ago (although most of you probably didn't get past the profanities.... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Physher007 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 look, the dealers have access to this forum. We are fish in a barrel, suckers, every last one of us. And we cut off other dealers so that these guys who we have worked with gets all the business funneled their way. As part of the unwritten deal, they are not supposed to screw us. Well stated. How many times has a newb popped into general discussion and asked where to go for reps, only to have two or three people point him to the dealer's section. Now the dealers section is full of scammers. I feel so betrayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Under your logic replica house the people that 700 bucks for a cheap sub, is also "ok" Look, if he had advertised the watch with the crap movement in it thats there, it would have been 100 bucks less. The problem is not the price, the problem is the lie. Ziggy thinks the seagull movement is fine. Ziggy thinks some of the new asian copies of eta's are fine. Ziggy even likes an assortment of asian movements. But these are bottom of the barrel asians at least the ones we know about. look, the dealers have access to this forum. We are fish in a barrel, suckers, every last one of us. And we cut off other dealers so that these guys who we have worked with gets all the business funneled their way. As part of the unwritten deal, they are not supposed to screw us. Turns out, they have been scamming lately. - its not ok. jomamas response seems reactive like I'm saying "You're an idiot for buying this watch". Just the opposite, I think the seller is reprehensible for misrepresenting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Look you guys are missing the point. Some of the members [censored] at the newbies to "do your Research" That's exactly what I did when I used the great wealth of knowledge form the other members on this site BEFORE I bought the watch. RXrandy was the first to indicate it was a Seagul vs ETA. So I did a search on seagul and came up with alot of info (most of it positive) http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...2&hl=seagul Infact there was a recent thread that indicated the dealers should use more explicit terminolgy for the movements and low and behold one of our prized members labled all the movements and the "code" dealers use. One of which was ETA 2892/Seagul s-18 See this link http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...1&hl=seagul herte is my point. there are alot of members who get on a high horse and tell the other members to do research, research research. If the dealers are taking shortcuts you can usually find it out by following your own advise and making an informed decision. I love this place. I am convinced dealers will come and go as they are risking alot more than us. As my contractor says "it is what it is". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 EDGE... You have no idea about reps. In the replica industry... for Swiss ETA 2892 movements, you need to order in advance (6 months) and pay the full amount first and it will only be delivered 6 months later. There is NO GUARANTEE that you will get the movements. I am not going to argue with you over this because you dont know about the replica industry in the first place. If you want, I can bring you there and you can see for yourself. It's no kid's stuff By the way, an Swiss ETA 2892 movement cost more than USD200 and in the range of USD250 per piece. You should know that it isnt possible to sell with that movement since you are an expert right? Andrew CORRECT... waiting period on ETA factory is minimum 6 month... for valjoux 12-16 month... for Valgranges 3 years WRONG... ETA 2892-A2 is available for under $100 if you order some hundrets. Retail price is $250, but not factory price for suppliers. I sell my ETA 2892-A2 for $180 and they are extra overworked from swiss SOPROD company. Standard 2892 from ETA cost list $160 from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TTK Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Well stated. How many times has a newb popped into general discussion and asked where to go for reps, only to have two or three people point him to the dealer's section. Now the dealers section is full of scammers. I feel so betrayed. Sorry to burst your bubble and add to your depression......but the dealers section isn't full of scammers......there are many good dealers........this topic is about some well established dealers who have banded together to create a cartel......price fixing.....eliminating competition.....stealing other dealers photos......and worst of all LYING to their customers.......not to mention the aspect of competitive dealers Paypal accounts suddenly being suspended.....also......LYING to members that their own Paypal accounts had been compromised.....and yet some customers have responded that they were offered Paypal facility after they were supposed to have their accounts suspended......! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rek001 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Well, Neil, in this mess you are looking better and better, time for you to hire some additional lovely assistants to help answer your e-mails. Lang may yer lum reek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Physher007 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 @ttk - I have no bubble to burst. And I didn't mean to implicate you (or any dealer) in this thing, I was making a generalization that referred to the subforum more than the dealers. Lost in translation I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tracy Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Well, Neil, in this mess you are looking better and better, time for you to hire some additional lovely assistants to help answer your e-mails. Lang may yer lum reek! ...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_uk Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Anyway they are lying I know a dealer that can supply the new Breitling Steelfish superocean ETA version with AR for 200-220$ including shipping vs 338$ from josh. Still waiting for a reply on who this dealer is, anyone else got any idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Still waiting for a reply on who this dealer is, anyone else got any idea? This thread isn't the home shopping channel. It's quite rude of you to interrupt a serious discussion, looking to get yourself a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_uk Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 up yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanerich Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I think you forgot to add "and not that concerned about it". [censored], the [censored]er looks great! (language you guys understand). http://watchwindersworld.com/omse10022-aqu...892-p-1434.html I can't help myself as I am ingnorant. the site advertises the watch movement as 2892-2 which my understanding is an asian copy of ETA. I have been told the actual movement is Seagul. I have also heard the Seagul movement is pretty good. Crystal has said The Zigmeister feels it is a piece of crap. The point is this: I bought a rep to LOOK like the gen. If I wanted a good watch for the money I would but a casio quartz. The reason i have no problem here is because they had to use the Seagul (if that is what it is) with silver movement to look like gen becuase it has display caseback and gen is silver (vs. ETA which is gold). Now, Josh should have said what the movement was vs ETA 2892-2, I agree, but would not have influenced buying decision. Sorry to [censored] you guys off. Infact, the reason I did not get SMP GMT is because the ETA in that display caseback is gold and gen is silver. dead giveaway and useless to me. I think we ask alot from these dealers in terms of getting the watches to be exactly like gen and we have to balance quality for asthetics. Bottom line is the piece cost 270 bucks. To me that's an investment in a fun hobbie to a watch that looks great. I will let everyone know when it fails Good for you. I'm sure you lead a life free of stress since you clearly don't sweat little irritations. but surely you have to see that logically speaking, it makes at least as much sense to want to get X when you're told you're getting X as to be satisfied with getting whatever. You're happy to pay $270 for a watch with a $10 movement from a dealer who may or may not give you what he says he's giving you, that is totally your call. The thing is, basically the entire decision to buy reps, gens whatever is an individual call. But that doesn't change the basic rules of life, which is that you cannot deliver ANYTHING when you say you will deliver a particular thing and then claim to be trusty and reliable, and "hey, it's not easy to make money selling reps" is clearly a pretty self-serving excuse. I don't think anybody is saying that there are not people out there who aren't happy to get watches with junk movements if they look okay, what people are saying is that dealers who don't deliver what they say they will, and charge for spec that doesn't exist, are not to be trusted if you care about getting what you pay for. You don't care about getting what you pay for, that's fine but that basically places you outside the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Physher007 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 oh here we go.. So there has been a suggestion for a sub forum. Any other ideas on how to fix this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 How about we suspend the offending dealers, thus removing their right to trade on the board, and remove links to their sites? This can be done indefinately until the issues are addressed and rectified, to THE COMMUNITIES satisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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