By-Tor Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 When I first came to watch forums... and later on TRC/RWG I never cared about Breitling that much. The watches had strange, busy dials and very "different" appearance. Windrider Chronomat Blue /TwoTone was the only Breitling I considered even remotely attractive. But as time went by those Breitlings were slowly growing on me. Strange how that happens. Navitimer catched my attention, and not only because it's visually one of the most accurate chronograph reps out there (correct subdial spacing), but also because it's such a classic model. I see Navitimer as some kind of watch equivalent to Lamborghini Countach. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, but I guess we can all agree that Breitling is not a "beautiful" chronograph watch (in traditional sense) like Daytona or Speedmaster Broad Arrow, but it has very unique and characteristic appearance. Navitimer is kinda "bread and butter" model for Breitling, because it was the model that originally placed Breitling "on the world map". The first model was introduced in 1954 and it has been through numerous incarnations, but the general, overall appearance has remained the same during the whole 50+ years in production. Because of the age of this model (and due its popularity) Navitimer will be instantly recognized as a Breitling, at least among people who are even remotely familiar with wristwatches. The recognition factor probably won't be the same with models like Aeromarine or Steelfish titanium. I really like the Steelfish, but personally I'm not a huge fan of the rather dull and gray appearance of titanium. So it had to be a Navitimer, Chrono Avenger or Chronomat. I also found myself quite attracted to the Bullhead version that Neil briefly had available. I was planning to buy a Breitling for months but shyed away from the Asian 7750 automatic. But when a good deal came by I couldn't resist the temptation any longer. I just HAD to get a Breitling! I purchased my Navitimer from a fellow forum member. The watch is already 12 months old and it works, is in pristine condition - and keeps great time. The price was excellent as well. Then some history about this watch... This is a replica of the older Navitimer, "SERIE SPECIALE" model, which (according to my sources) was in production in the 80'S. I find it rather strange that the rep factories replicated this model and not the mid-90'S "Fighter Special Edition", or the standard early 2000'S model which is very similar in appearance (save the differencies we'll tackle later in this review). BORROWED information from a resource site: ================================ Breitling created the Breitling Fighters team, an initiative bringing together second generation WW II era fighter planes. The Fighters Team includes a Supermarine Spitfire, Messerschmitt Bf109, North American Aviation P-51 Mustang, Yakolev Yak 3, Chance Vought F4U Corsair and a Curtiss P-40 Kittyhawk. The Breitling Fighters Chronograph is the official watch of this flight team. Whilst the watch is equipped with the latest developments in mechanical watch making, it fully reflects the spirit prevailing half a century ago, the time when Breitling developed the first slide rule chronographs. The Navitimer for the first time, a watch featured a "navigation computer" capable of executing every calculation a flight plan requires. These include: multiplication, division, calculating ground speed, calculating miles per hour, calculating miles per minute, calculating fuel consumption, calculating rate of climb or descent, calculating the distance of climb or descent and nautical and statute mile conversion. This is a true professional instrument watch that has been adapted to today's even more strenuous requirements. Here's a large scan of the caseback which shows the engraved fighter planes. According to another user the engraving "Messerschmitt" has been misspelled (I think I just misspelled it again). Personally, I couldn't be bothered. These kind of things belong to the "anal retentive" department. I don't think I'll run into many Breitling fanatics who keep a loupe in the back pocket and demand to inspect the caseback of my watch. For people who are interested in Navitimer generally THIS site is an excellent resource. There's lots of information about different Navitimer models that have been produced during the decades. For people who are interested in the "slide rule" and other numerous features on the Navitimer, I constructed this help image from previously posted resources. The dial and bezel feature information is now in more compact form. I tried to make a lot of research of this particular model, that's part of the fun in rep collecting for me. I found out that this particular watch (SERIE SPECIALE) should _always_ come with brushed case & bracelet (instead of the highly polished band & case). But during the same research I found out that there are probably 2 billion different variations of the Navitimer. I was actually overwhelmed, even Omega Speedmaster doesn't have so many different incarnations. You have to be a real Breitling fanatic to know all the models. My head is still spinning. On the other hand, that makes "calling out" your rep very difficult, if not impossible for most. There's also a version which has printing "EDITION SPECIAL" over the 6'o'clock subdial, Swiss Army Special Edition, and a mid-90's "Special Fighter Edition" which comes with the same subregister / date setting, but that watch has Arabic numerals on the dial, 5-link polished bracelet and different markings on the subregisters. Actually, when compared to the original "Serie Speciale" model the rep isn't terribly accurate. There are numerous differencies on the dial and bezel. Here you can see the original "brushed" model. In this following comparison picture you can see a standard Navitimer (early 2000's model) which is very identical with the replica but again it doesn't have the SERIE SPECIALE written over the subdial - and the caseback most likely won't have those engraved fighter planes. I suspect even the rep factory couldn't keep up with these variations when they produced the watch, because the "Fighter Special Edition" (with the differencies I previously mentioned) was produced at the same time. You can spot the differencies yourself. Date font, more "silvery" subdials on the rep, a bit different lume on hour markers, bezel numbers are closer to the bezel edge on the genuine, etc. Navitimer is very exceptional replica because it has the correct subdial spacing, a thing you rarely see in reps. The rep Navitimer basically uses a copy of the genuine movement... thus the correct placement of the subregisters. I don't know for sure, but I suspect a genuine dial would fit the rep after some tweaking. I'll leave the tech talk to the hardcores, I'm happy with my watch the way it is. The diameter of this watch is a standard sports watch caliber: around 40mm. But it's very thick watch and I believe it would look a bit funny on a smaller wrist. The only thing that I've never been quite fond of is the highly polished Breitling bracelet, and I've never been a strap guy, either. Maybe one of these days I'll transform this watch into brushed version. Here you can see the fliplock clasp. The clasp itself is polished as well, and the bracelet scratches very easily from this area. We all know how the unserviced Asian 7750 movement is a ticking time bomb, but since my watch has been functioning well for the fellow member the last 12 months... at least it's something. This combination of subregisters shouldn't be too problematic as it doesn't require any modifications to the original movement (unlike Daytonas with 6'o'clock running seconds). If the movement starts giving me problems I can always service it - or buy a genuine Swiss Valjoux 7750... and send it to my friends for a replacement job. Well, it wouldn't be a typical unserviced old Asian 7750 if it didn't have at least SOME problems: The chronograph works but the stopwatch has an occasional reset problem. No big deal for me, I rarely use the stopwatch in any of my chronograph watches. If you're going to get a 7750-powered watch I recommend that you read Ziggy's excellent breakdowns and reviews of the Asian 7750 movement... so you have an idea what you're getting into. He has covered the issue very throughly. You can read Ziggy's articles HERE, HERE and HERE. Movement. Excellent picture by Rschultes. Summary: I only buy larger sports watches (because of my physical size) but I'm always trying to look for some variation. Breitling Navitimer is an excellent, classic addition into my compact watch collection... and despite its small flaws it's a solid, substantial, heavy and good replica watch. And owning at least one Breitling is a "must" for all hardcore rep collectors. According to some, the newer rep version of the Navitimer is even more accurate... the one that has datewheel at 5'o'clock... but that watch has a nasty datewheel alignment issue. Either way, you can't go wrong with Navitimer. I already fell in love with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarks Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 WOW! A wicked and thorough review By-Tor! Never knew that much about Breitling. Thanks for the post! It was an awesome read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pampam Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Excellent review my friend!! Never thought seriously about Breitling reps but with this review things could change 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve G Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Great review Bytor! Glad to see you finally got your Navitimer I really think this will be my next watch purchase, It was the one that orginally drew me to reps, but ironically still haven't purchased due to 7750 gun shy I'm just not sure on the color yet, white with black subs, or black with silver, 6,9,12 placement or 3,6,9, it always leaves me overwhelmed. Best of luck with your new watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrgod Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Excellent review, Bytor. As usual from your side! A very nice Navitimer. Interesting to read about the hisory of the "Serie Speciale". I have been wailing about the misspelling of Messerschmitt on this model. This should be omitted on such a nice high grade replica... Of course it is highly individual what faults what faults you accept.. I am into Warbirds, and do voluntary restauration work on WW2 aircrafts. I know that I would never pass over this watch to any of my fellow Aviation nuts.. Again, thanks for the review. The Navitimer has moved higher up on my wish list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leitztozeiss Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Awesome write-up. You should have your own section for these extensive write-ups. Or, at least, there should be a hall-of-fame section for such works. Excellent, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 You are an horological hero By-Tor Exellent review, makes me look more closely at these flashy watches and this comes from a person who does not own a single BREITLING in his collection Regards Gran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Thanks guys, it was lots of fun to create this review, glad you liked it. There might be one or two minor detail wrong in the facts, but then again I'm not a Breitling expert. Generally I think Breitlings don't get even _nearly_ the attention they deserve. It looks fantastic on the wrist, pictures don't do this watch justice. @chrgod: I just checked the Messerschmitt... it reads "Messersch" and then there's about 10 numbers on the line. Maybe it could be considered as an abbreviation? It's very, very small print and you almost need a loupe to read it. You could actually scratch that engraving away quite easily if it bothers you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrgod Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 (edited) @chrgod: I just checked the Messerschmitt... it reads "Messersch" and then there's about 10 numbers on the line. Maybe it could be considered as an abbreviation? It's very, very small print and you almost need a loupe to read it. You could actually scratch that engraving away quite easily if it bothers you. Yep, I guess the rep makers has been confused about the mix of letters and numbers in "Messerschmitt Bf109". , and spelled it as "Messersch14778109" or something. In fact, it is a bit funny... Nice to know that it can just be scratched away. Edited April 25, 2006 by chrgod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estaban Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 (edited) Why do you think I raved about my Navi Serie Speciale from Andrew for so long. It is a great looking watch that is indestinguishable from a gen (except for the "ticking time bomb" thing. I'm sure Terry will enjoy my watch. Now would someone please pass on a nicely used white face EXPII. Edited April 25, 2006 by Estaban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005SUBMARINER Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 wow excellent review man ! thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 By-Tor.... You have elevated yourself to one our most esteemed reviewers. Congrats on your purchase. I thought about grabbing that one myself but am still not 100% sold on the busy dial. I have seen them in person, however, and they are very beautiful. Great review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hupholland Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 By-Tor BY ZEUS, great review. I've got my serie speciale from Joshua (jos-nana). Its a real stunner AND keeps good time. A must have in a good collection. the http://www.lesmala.net/jean-michel/navitimer/index2.htm link is a great read. thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Superb review mate... Very very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 http://www.lesmala.net/jean-michel/navitimer/index2.htm link is a great read. thanks, Yes, that's a great site, I actually had that link in my review. The collector section has tons of pictures. I spent an hour there today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Excellent detailed and informative review. That is what this site is all about. You have set a high standard for anyone to follow with this excellent post, thanks for taking the time to do this up, and I hope others can follow your excellent work. Great job, RG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff g Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Great review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 this is a special review...great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignasty Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Great review, read it over at the RWI. Can I ask, do you have any more wrist shots of this bad boy from dead on? Thanks, Jon I can't wait to get mine. In transit as we speak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted April 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 (edited) Can I ask, do you have any more wrist shots of this bad boy from dead on? Took a few quick & dirty ones in the backyard for you. PS: Thank you all again. I didn't except to get this much positive feedback, it's appreciated. This pic shows how thick watch it really is. This is not for girly wrists, imho. Edited April 26, 2006 by By-Tor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 What the..... Kudos to ya dude, you outdo yourself each time you post a new review... ...And you suddenly renewed my interset in this beauty again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palpatine Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Excellent review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkatbamna Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Great review. I genereally don't like Breitlings but that one really looks tempting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kewlteacher Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Why do you think I raved about my Navi Serie Speciale from Andrew for so long. It is a great looking watch that is indestinguishable from a gen (except for the "ticking time bomb" thing. I'm sure Terry will enjoy my watch. Now would someone please pass on a nicely used white face EXPII. I am loving the Navitimer i purchased from Estaban. Nice looking....keeps great time....I just have this devilish desire to push the pushers all the time!! Thanks Estaban! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubFrog Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 By Tor...GREAT review. I have one Bentley that I'm trying to restore. This one is great too...I may be looking at a Navitimer. It really looks sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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