gran Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Dear watch nuts Today iI have searched and search the internet for these Asian movements found in our replicas and who makes them. Here is a pictorial but partial answer to that. These are Chinese made. It appears that the so called "Asian movements" pictured are made by the company Sea-Gull and their collaborators. It has been clear for a long time that Sea-Gull has had the Asian venus 175 (ST-19 on my list) but now also the other movements that we see used in VC and JLC and other replicas seem to be produced by Sea-Gull as well. The movements appears to the (in my eyes) to be of high quality as far as Chinese movements go. They also produce the retorgrade date and power reserve (reserve de marche) movements seen used in som pretty accurate but Asian VC and JLC replicas. You can also see some movements with a bridge (ST-25) like on the modern ROLEX calibers and rotor (ST-18) as seen on the ETA-2892...I guess Klink has been correct all along regarding what the Chinese are able to do. Maybe there is a Sea-Gull movement more or less identical to the ETA-2836 or 2824 as well..I am not sure...we will probably hear and see more about this later. Hope this has been of some interest Regards Gunnar Gran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWR Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) wow, gran... impressive work. edit: what the heck is ST-17... dateless automatic chrono movement? interesting... Edited May 2, 2006 by Jonathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 wow, gran... impressive work. edit: what the heck is ST-17... dateless automatic chrono movement? interesting... There seem to be lots of different versions of the ST-17 (1701-X) series calibre maybe Sea-Gull has 15-20 different layouts using this basic movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallguy83 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Very interesting. I'd be interested to see if all the 2892s out there are really ETA or a Seagull. Nice work Gran! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Thanks and who knows? Besides the TS stand for Tanjin Seagull Regards Gunnar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrgod Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Interesting! Excellent for us who want to know more about the "heart" of our watches! Gotta love that "Silly Sun" movement.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Gotta love that "Silly Sun" movement.. You infidel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tracy Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Great Post Gran ! I have always known that Chinese movements of late have been fantastic ... my sons have tried their best to kill them without success for over two years. I think we had better snatch up as many of the models we want now. Once the perception of CN movements are raised, the prices will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 @RT Maybe the price will drop instead considering the volumes these guys produce Some more movements we recognize from our replicas: Gran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tracy Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Maybe,.. but I think the only thing holding prices down are our perceptions.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Well, this explains the "2892" in my VC Overseas. I found it strange it had no ETA markings the whole time. But these movements are damn nice, especially the 2892 copy, it has been keeping close to perfect time over a few weeks, and it has been very reliable so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 An excellent piece of detective work Gran, very interesting to see just how many movements these guy actually make. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 An excellent piece of detective work Gran, very interesting to see just how many movements these guy actually make. Ken Thanks Ken! Just imagine how much more I could have found if I only could read Chinese symbols... :cc_chinese: Another Chinese producer have adopted the SEIKO look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmytim Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I can read, but can't be bothered Keep up the good work! I wonder if we can buy the movements themselves and make our own fantasy watch (love that tourbillon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eLiNK Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 gran you seem to be back in the game. Very nice research. Thanks. More power to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 nice find gran! these mvt's are becoming better and better from day to day... hope they become even cheaper..this chinese guys are killing me in my aluminium business...but i love them the other way cause they do the same s*** in the watch biz with reps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Thanks guys Glad that I am back in the game Well, this explains the "2892" in my VC Overseas. I found it strange it had no ETA markings the whole time. But these movements are damn nice, especially the 2892 copy, it has been keeping close to perfect time over a few weeks, and it has been very reliable so far. I think it would be very interesting to know if the production facilities that supply the SEA-GULL movements also make parts that are being used for the producing of SWISS ETAs If there is no ETA stamp is it really a 2892?or is it actually a SEA-GULL movement with the same rotor as on a 2892? Who knows? I guess The Zigmeister could make the call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 @RT Maybe the price will drop instead considering the volumes these guys produce Some more movements we recognize from our replicas: Gran Wow, how about some rep factories increase the size of the date before they put that double barrel movement in an accurate lange or journe? Also, re the the 2892: i remember The Zigmeister posting an easy way to tell whether the 2892 in your watch is chinese or swiss. Do these guys make the Asia 7750? I bet they don't.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Also, re the the 2892: i remember The Zigmeister posting an easy way to tell whether the 2892 in your watch is chinese or swiss. This is what The Zigmeister (Rob) said: "If I remember the pictures of these copy 2892's, the dead giveaway was two items, one the ETA 2892 is left sprung, which means the hairspring direction from the stud is towards the left, the picture I saw showed a hairsping right studded... and the other giveaway was that the stud and regulator were not ETA. ETA uses removable studs and regulators, whereas the Asian ones are riveted... Haven't seen one first hand, so I can't comment on quality or workmanship. RG" Regards Gunnar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Fascinating - thank you! Opens up a world of possibilities A couple of links: Main Sea-gull website (Chinese) English website - also check out the finished watches they also sell - very interesting English Sea-gull website Movements Watches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted May 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 And there is more to come cornerstone Gran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Stunning investigation, Gran! Keep up with the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Feel like a kid in a sweety shop! Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollipop Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I like this ST-17 variation: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indyclmbr Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 QUOTE(thomasng @ May 2 2006, 08:54 PM) Well, this explains the "2892" in my VC Overseas. I found it strange it had no ETA markings the whole time. But these movements are damn nice, especially the 2892 copy, it has been keeping close to perfect time over a few weeks, and it has been very reliable so far. QUOTE(gunnar gran) If there is no ETA stamp is it really a 2892?or is it actually a SEA-GULL movement with the same rotor as on a 2892? Who knows? I guess The Zigmeister could make the call Now, having an affinity for the 2892 movements, I am curious to know if anyone has looked inside the recent 029 and 063 acquisitions to see if the 2892 movement is eta or not? I would be very curious. I may have to take my 2892 EXP II and 063 and have a watchsmith take a look. Climb on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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