fotoman Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 i didn't take a photo, but i held the 2 watches side by side and the AR is EVERYTHING - EVERYTHING let me repeat - EVERYTHING the dial is cloudy in the asian version where as the swiss its sharp and sparkles and is BAMB (note, its the crystal not the dial that is cloudy) the watch is nice - but its the difference between a nice watch and a special watch if you never had AR and you can't afford 300 bucks, go for it. i'm giving them out as gifts, i'm sure the people will LOVE them. But i'm not going to let them see mine Cause once you have a super AR watch in the collection - forget about it. Now - i don't know if it fixes it to do a chieftang AR which gives you a nice watch at like under 200. as far as i know no one has done that yet. But, if i were ambitious, i could take 20 of those, at silix pricing do the chief AR - and sell them for 210 shipped - nice little profit and they would go quick i think Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 You're on the money Pho- It's funny that you're outlining the problem that I was wrestling with for a couple of weeks- whether to get the SFSO without AR. Can you tell me if the swiss one that you had was a white dialed Steelfish? Cause what I'd kept hearing was that the white one didn't necessitate AR as much as the darker dials, and therefore was the asian version of choice. This caused me sleepless nights, I'm not joking. Welll....I am joking, it wasn't that stressful, but it was significant stress!! I ended up getting the white dial ETA version with AR, because as you know, we're both AR freaks and I knew I'd be [censored] even if it wasn't as visible or required on the white version. PS- I just got a Cousteau, and the AR on this watch, with the blue dial, is absolutely stunning. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellomen Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 and the movement No serious... good to know the watches are identical except the mvt and the AR coating! So the asian can be upgraded quite easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I have in my hands an Asian SFSO and a Swiss SFSO. I have just taken photos of the two together and will post them as soon as my server is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitmic Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 No serious... good to know the watches are identical except the mvt and the AR coating! So the asian can be upgraded quite easily The Swiss has sapphire and the asian has mineral crystal, AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutchy Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I have in my hands an Asian SFSO and a Swiss SFSO. I have just taken photos of the two together and will post them as soon as my server is back. That should be interesting! Thanks Pug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 That should be interesting! Thanks Pug! Fair enough. Here's thanks to Imageshack: Asian: Swiss: Both: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivefive Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 hey Pug, thanks for the pics just wondering what's the difference u can spot other than the AR?? how's the weight and feel doing?? also what's the weight and feel like comparing the swiss and the gen?? (if u know) thanks a lot for your help five Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 That's all fine and dandy, but how can one compare a white dial with AR to a black dial without? I wish someone had the same version (i.e 2 whites, or 2 blues) to compare side by side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 thats pretty close to what i saw as in pug's photos - But, i had both Blue asian and swiss So i could really see Apples to Apples, and it just looked liked you needed to clean the crystal Foggy i also have a black asian. haven't seen the white one in person Mez, but dark definitely needs the Ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 That's all fine and dandy, but how can one compare a white dial with AR to a black dial without? I wish someone had the same version (i.e 2 whites, or 2 blues) to compare side by side. You take what you can get. If my Fish weren't certified waterproof to silly depths, I'd open it and swap movements, but that's not going to happen. I doubt anyone would buy the same watch in Swiss and Asian, so we'll be waiting a while for those comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I doubt anyone would buy the same watch in Swiss and Asian, so we'll be waiting a while for those comparisons. If a few people who had white Asian versions took pics of their watches it would probably help a lot of people in their decision. The pics don't have to be from the same source, as long as there are similar conditions. Obviously no one's going to buy 2 versions of the same watch (unless they bought the Asian one first and it really is that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Well, this thread made my day... I ordered the BL swiss ..Blue Dial last week ... was going to order the blk in Asian today but decided to pull the trigger on the Swiss instead .... ordered it about 2 hours ago.... thanks for the confirmation ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I was really close to ordering a black dialed SFSO because of all that has been said about the white one not needing the AR, and the darker dials 'showing' the effect of the AR to a significantly larger degree. Chieftang said that his favourite watch that he's got AR'd was the VCO in the white dial. I'm guessing that the white dial still benefits from the AR, but that it isn't as 'necessary' as it is with the darker dials. Pug, you can probably attest to it, being that you've got the white-dialed version. It seems like it still improves the clarity of the dial significantly, but that white dials don't create as much glare naturally. I'm torn as to whether I should've got the black one in an ETA, and then gone with an asian for the white. I really like the black one, and it's probably the least popular of the three colour options. But I would have to get the gen rubber if I got the black- that's the combo that I probably like the most- but that would add another 90 bucks to the watch, and then I ask myself: "when would I wear the black dial SFSO on black rubber, instead of my HBB that has a black dial and is on black rubber". I felt my collection would be better filled by a different niche, which would be a white-dialed watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitmic Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Is it a big difference between the both date fonts? I haven't seen any comparison yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 to re-cap i had both blue asian and blue swiss side by side. one was mine one was gift. You get the cloudy effect showin in pug's photos, only more pronounced. I could care less about the mov't swiss or asian, - i have confidence in neither its all about AR to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) That's what it was about for me, too...but because of that, it really ate at me that I would drop an extra $200 just for the AR, which I'm sure costs the rep factory $20 at the most. I've gone on about this ad nauseum...so I'll stop now. What bugs me is that I eventually caved to the notion....even though the ETA is obviously a value-adder as well. It's funny- I never really cared a whole lot about date-fonts. Maybe on my MBW 16610 I do a bit, but not on my other watches really. I guess everyone has their 'pet issues'. AR is mine for sure...and that's why I'm irritated with the SFSO pricing situation between the asian and ETA. If it was like the uPO's, whereby the asian has the same AR as the ETA, but just the movement is different, I wouldn't have thought twice about going with the asian SFSO. Edited August 15, 2007 by mezzanine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Chieftang said that his favourite watch that he's got AR'd was the VCO in the white dial. I'm guessing that the white dial still benefits from the AR, but that it isn't as 'necessary' as it is with the darker dials. Pug, you can probably attest to it, being that you've got the white-dialed version. It seems like it still improves the clarity of the dial significantly, but that white dials don't create as much glare naturally. The AR helps, even on a white dial. Sometimes, the crystal just disappears. Totally beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvn Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Here is my asia version from TWP sold to a member yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 the crystal on my blue is almost ALWAYS gone and only sometimes Appears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 That should be interesting! Thanks Pug! Dutchy, I do think the picture of your daughter is very cute. And ... Oh, look ... she is putting on her jammies. Isn't that sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano17771 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 this might help...heres the deal, if you dont want to spend $300++ for a different mvmt and lack of AR you should go with the asian version with white dial!! how can you compare a white dial with AR to a black dial without AR. not a fair comparison. darker dials show glare MUCH more than a white dial. the pic below shows 2 breitlings WITHOUT AR. one with a dark dial (lots of refecltions) and the white dial (very little refections). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivefive Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 so is the blue or black Swiss version more accurate?? as in closer to the gen?? anyone? or they are exactly the same in accuracy just different colour?? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 so is the blue or black Swiss version more accurate?? as in closer to the gen?? anyone? or they are exactly the same in accuracy just different colour?? All three Swiss versions are equally as accurate, but some people believe the black and blue versions need the AR more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivefive Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 is the evo or steelfish a closer rep to its gen?? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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