chad Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 I see that I have been blocked by The Zigmeister. We had a disagreement in a posting about hand lume jobs vs. machine luming on gens. I praised him over and over again in the forums but just disagreed on this one issue. A personal opinion of mine. He is a sensitive guy. I wanted him to service my watch because he is excellent as I have wrote again and again. Anyway........ I am not putting the guy down at all and once again i publicly state that his work is fantastic. He just does not like to be disagreed with. What are some other options for servicing the asia chronos? Any other talents here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Seems their is none. I have tried to find others but no luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 The 7750 chronos are complicated & alot of watchmakers refuse to work on them for that reason alone. What kind of problem are you having? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad Posted February 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 No problems yet. Just curious about what options there are. Chad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 I see that I have been blocked by Ziggy. We had a disagreement in a posting about hand lume jobs vs. machine luming on gens. I praised him over and over again in the forums but just disagreed on this one issue. A personal opinion of mine. He is a sensitive guy. I wanted him to service my watch because he is excellent as I have wrote again and again. Anyway........ I am not putting the guy down at all and once again i publicly state that his work is fantastic. He just does not like to be disagreed with. What are some other options for servicing the asia chronos? Any other talents here? If your not putting "the guy" down.. why are you posting a thread with a one sided story ?? and by all apperances doing just that..and making it appear that it is totally "not like that at all" BTW .. take your 7750 to a watchsmith.. find one in the yellow pages.. or an AD for example and ask to be quoted the price for full servicing... should be somewhere in the nieghborhood of 700 usd... fo real... that is what a full service cost...it not like changing a battery .. as a lot of so called watchsmiths cannot even do this properly The factory servicing is good with some makers and not good with others ... regardless, most of my A7750 movements will be serviced at some point and time. If your actions were as harmless as you are saying I doubt anyone would have cause to block you just my 2 cents Lanikai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Doesn't The Zigmeister turn off PMs periodically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 I have never been able to contact The Zigmeister myself via PM in the 1 year + that I've been on this forum. Some people I know have had dozens of services done by him...... I really have no idea how this happens. Oh well.. what can you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 I have never been able to contact Ziggy myself via PM in the 1 year + that I've been on this forum. Some people I know have had dozens of services done by him...... I really have no idea how this happens. Oh well.. what can you do didn't you cite other reasons?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beano2004 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 I have a watchsmith that does services for any rep movement that are in our watches drop me a PM. bean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad Posted February 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Actually it is rather one sided considering I have never had any type of personal dialog or conversation with him. He states on his area that if your PM's are not going through that you are blocked and if you are blocked he will not discuss why. If he does not want to work on my watches that is certainly his right and I will respect that. I do not mean to portray his work in a bad light and never have. As I have said again and again in these forums. His work is top notch. He is busy and others might be curious about other options also. If your not putting "the guy" down.. why are you posting a thread with a one sided story ?? and by all apperances doing just that..and making it appear that it is totally "not like that at all" BTW .. take your 7750 to a watchsmith.. find one in the yellow pages.. or an AD for example and ask to be quoted the price for full servicing... should be somewhere in the nieghborhood of 700 usd... fo real... that is what a full service cost...it not like changing a battery .. as a lot of so called watchsmiths cannot even do this properly The factory servicing is good with some makers and not good with others ... regardless, most of my A7750 movements will be serviced at some point and time. If your actions were as harmless as you are saying I doubt anyone would have cause to block you just my 2 cents Lanikai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 He states on his area that if your PM's are not going through that you are blocked and if you are blocked he will not discuss why. That means I'm blocked then. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seank1 Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 MJ watch service. You can talk to Alex. Here is a link to their site. Don't say "I've got a replica I want serviced". Just tell him you've got an asian 7750 and send it. BTW its way less than 700.00 usd. They are "aftermarket friendly" http://www.mjwatchservice.com Sean K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 That means I'm blocked then. Interesting. I think becoming a supporting member might go a long way toward forging a relationship with one of the most valued resourses on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Actually it is rather one sided considering I have never had any type of personal dialog or conversation with him. He states on his area that if your PM's are not going through that you are blocked and if you are blocked he will not discuss why. If he does not want to work on my watches that is certainly his right and I will respect that. I do not mean to portray his work in a bad light and never have. As I have said again and again in these forums. His work is top notch. He is busy and others might be curious about other options also. The fact is that Ziggy doesn't need the work he provides here. He does it as a pure service and is forced to say no to work far more often than he says yes so, it doesn't take much to slide down to the end of the bench and wait your turn. You have got to see it from his perspective. He doesn't need the hassle and some here have been enormous PIAs (I'm not saying you are) in their demands so you can see why the man would want a carefully screened clientele. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 The fact is that Ziggy doesn't need the work he provides here. He does it as a pure service and is forced to say no to work far more often than he says yes so, it doesn't take much to slide down to the end of the bench and wait your turn. You have got to see it from his perspective. He doesn't need the hassle and some here have been enormous PIAs (I'm not saying you are) in their demands so you can see why the man would want a carefully screened clientele. This isn't directed to you personally, but as your post features the best description of the situation, it is the most apt to use to respond to. Given that that's the case, would it not make sense to have other watchsmiths available, which could take some of the pressure off Ziggy? I've seen people rip into TWP, but personally, I've always thought the level of work shown has been excellent. Given Ziggy is as busy as he is, it is not an affront to him for people to ask about other smiths... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 This isn't directed to you personally, but as your post features the best description of the situation, it is the most apt to use to respond to. Given that that's the case, would it not make sense to have other watchsmiths available, which could take some of the pressure off Ziggy? I've seen people rip into TWP, but personally, I've always thought the level of work shown has been excellent. Given Ziggy is as busy as he is, it is not an affront to him for people to ask about other smiths... I agree...the more the merrier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I agree...the more the merrier! Indeed, the more the merrier, sadly, when others have asked about alternative smiths, people have reacted as if they'd been casting aspersions about Ziggy, or doubts about the quality of his work, simply for asking for alternate sources... Maybe folks need to realize the points you made above, about Ziggy's workload, and then they'd see that people are asking out of necessity, rather than any other reasons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 have this turned to a The Zigmeister debate is beyond me have about giving some advices insted of going OT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuiceMaker Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I agree... The Zigmeister doesn't need to provide this service to make a living... he's doing this out of his passion for watches... you only have to read his posts & you will sense his passion for this hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 BTW .. take your 7750 to a watchsmith.. find one in the yellow pages.. or an AD for example and ask to be quoted the price for full servicing... should be somewhere in the nieghborhood of 700 usd... fo real... that is what a full service cost...it not like changing a battery .. as a lot of so called watchsmiths cannot even do this properly What? Not sure where you take your watch for service... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rxus Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 i think that just how we have several dealers to choose from we should have options for watch smiths, every member ahs the freedom to search and read all the reviews good and bad regarding every transaction imaginable, I say let them choose if they want to wait, or if they want to take risks or if they even want to go ahead and do any mods period. But the choice must be there, otherwise we are not being fair to the community and that includes us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 But the choice must be there, otherwise we are not being fair to the community and that includes us all. Choice is the correct word. Just like you have a "choice" as to which dealer you give your business to, I as a part-time watchsmith excercise my "choice" as to who I choose to offer my services to. This is a hobby I choose to do a few nights a week to pass my time and help others. I am not sure why some people take issue with my choice. I make my choices based on what I see take place on the forum, and how people deal with me. For example, if your a nasty person on the forum (not necessarily towards me), or if you book an appointment with me and then stand me up (this after you're sent 2 upcoming appointment reminder emails, and you still fail to respond), or if you don't have common courtesy to send me a simple "Thanks" after I help you out on a PM, your not someone I want to deal with. If you waste my time, you'll only have one chance to do it. If you actively promote or support someone who has been shown to have done shoddy watch work for members, I don't want to work with you, and I especially don't want to have to clean up their mistakes. It would be wonderful if there were numerous watchsmiths to choose from, unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the case. Anyone who has been here over a year, knows too well that what is posted on the forum concerning shoddy workmanship and practices by some watchsmiths, is only the tip of the iceberg. This has been proven true on more than one occasion. The names of these individuals are well known. What really bothers me is how some members can post that someone's work has been nothing but excellent, when recent posts would say otherwise. That either means the persons who have had bad experiences (multiple ones, over many months) are the exceptions, or they are lying about their bad experience. Since it was shown that they weren't lying at all, stating that the workmanship is nothing but excellent, does a disservice to those members who don't have the luxery of our collective past experiences. As for my being sensitive, nothing could be further from the truth. I speak my mind, much to the dismay of a few members, and I do know the quality of the work I send out. I stand behind what I do 110%, and my honesty includes refunding customers money when a job turns out to be less costly than estimated, I have even sent back $5 in overpayment. That doesn't mean every transaction is perfect or everyone is happy. Take for instance the member who's watches were in house for 6 months and who sent me no less than 135 emails during that period. He was upset at me for many reasons, including having "rushed" him in his decisions, not having provided "enough" detail for his liking...as well as a bunch of other reasons...you can't please everyone I guess, not even if you answer all 135 messages. Thankfully he decided to take his business elsewhere. The reality is that anyone can put up a shingle stating that they offer lume or watch mods, the problem is that most do so without even a basic understanding or appreciation of what it takes to work on watches. Watchsmithing courses are available on-line, but learning takes a back to seat to getting at the real reason for offering a service... That is all I have to say about this subject. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbum Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hey Guys, I will be learning how to perform full services on watches soon. I will be working with a local watchsmith. It will take a couple months and several watches before i feel comfortable servicig watches for board members. I will keep you informed. I too will be doing this as a hobby and part time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendofSpeed Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I think the only alternative to The Zigmeister would be if we could clone him! Yeah, that's it, we'll make a whole army of them! Seriously though, there are guys who mod watches on these boards but there is only one who I would consider to be a watchsmith... I have something in the works that I hope that The Zigmeister will accept (he said he would by e-mail already!) and I know when it goes to him, I will receive something special in return... As for alternatives to servicing of movement and re-lumes, I suppose a list would that showed viable alternatives would be great... but even these viable alternatives can have the wrong mindset... i believe you may find someone to service your rep, but they will treat it as a rep... they won't care for it and treat it as a valued timepiece... they will think, "what's he going to do, complain to replica rolex?" There is only one other person who is at an advanced level who I have heard about that will treat each watch as special but he only does re-lumes.... So, you may find someone else to work on your watch, but i don't think there is a true The Zigmeister alternative out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takashi Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 (edited) EDIT: Servicing these movements are not a simple job. Expertise and specialised tools are required. Indeed you can take online courses and ETA7750 CD ROM which "offshore" has, is a good start. It has this animation to make learning more interesting. Just a side note, you need to invest time and money to acquire this skill. If you have them... Well, you can make yourself as The Zigmeister clone Edited February 21, 2008 by takashi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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