italiano17771 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 both watches are the same size. only difference is where you measure them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmark Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 damn that looks pretty good!! not bad when you are comparing to the $1000+ the othere dealers are selling it for. to answer the measurement question...he is measuring ONLY the bezel, which comes out to 42.5mm. he is not including the case in his measurements....if you add the case it will be 44.5mm. the measurement of the bezel on my bezel is 42.5mm. no biggie...he is just measuring at a different part. for accurate measurement, it should be measured from 10 to 4. ...hopefully that helps anybody that is on the fence. dear friend this picture showing i measure the watch case size is 48.03mm. also not 44.5mm... and i tryed many time... i can not get 44.5mm size for this watch at all . please advice. thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano17771 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 if you measure from 10 - 4...you will get 44.5mm. to measure the watch accurately you should measure that way. hopefully that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italiano17771 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 measure like this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmark Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 (edited) measure like this... thank you very much! i think i get it. Edited April 12, 2008 by watchmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dealers tend to mention 44,5 because this is the original specification from the genuine. Again, misunderstandings are raised now And that's the way it should be : parts are most likely compatible, as the model 2 was repped from the model 1... Thx for the update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc savage Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Thanks for explaining that Italiano; that's how it's done. Watchmark, you are doing a great job. I bet you would sell a lot of ceramic bezels if you could get them for $100 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Is it just me, or has all of EuroTimez's under $500 ceramic bezel HBBs all but disappeared ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 What I dont get, why does the watch in this picture (which has the old 21.1k movement) the correct datefont but the one on his website does not have the correct font, but instead the BOLD date font (and also the old 21.1k movement): so WHICH watch with WHICH datefont will i be getting if i place an order?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted April 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 Could be just the blurry photos, they both look like they could be bold to me..... Better bold than the incorrect thin font DW's the other HBB reps use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 and what about the quality of the carbon fiber dial? This is a genuine: Please, tell me, are all the dealers selling these carbon fiber dials? :mellow: Francisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted April 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 No not all of them are like that.... Where did you find that photo? Which dealer? The dial seems to be missing the grain texture on the dial.... Can't really tell from some of watchmarks pictures, maybe some of the slow beat versions are like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 No not all of them are like that.... Where did you find that photo? Which dealer? The dial seems to be missing the grain texture on the dial.... Can't really tell from some of watchmarks pictures, maybe some of the slow beat versions are like this? I took it from this thread, and it is from the same dealer as your picture is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted April 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 I missed watchmarks updated post, good to see he is active on the board Why are you asking questions you already know the answer to Francisco? All the info is in this thread (I just re-read it) There are two versions of this watch from two different factories. One watch costs up to $780 (and much more on some dealers sites) and the other costs $405. $780 http://www.timeshops.net/Hublot_Ceramic_Be...oating_1213.htm $405 http://www.timeshops.net/Big_Bang_(RG_Cera...0_1137-4736.htm Not too tricky to grasp Now for a saving of over $375 I think a few flaws can be lived with Or if you want you could spend $1168 on the same $780 watch.... $1168 http://www.bigbangworld.com/index.php?main...;products_id=10 I know I would not spend $1168 on a watch I could buy for $780. The saving between the same watch from the different dealers is $388! Hell the saving between the $1168 watch, and the $405 watch is $763 I think we can agree that $763 is not small change to most people, nor is $388 for that matter..... Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmark Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 What I dont get, why does the watch in this picture (which has the old 21.1k movement) the correct datefont but the one on his website does not have the correct font, but instead the BOLD date font (and also the old 21.1k movement): so WHICH watch with WHICH datefont will i be getting if i place an order?!? hello maybe i use wrong photo on my site. but i confirm the correct date HBB is what you buy for 405USD selling in my web site now..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmark Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Thanks for explaining that Italiano; that's how it's done. Watchmark, you are doing a great job. I bet you would sell a lot of ceramic bezels if you could get them for $100 or so. dear friend thank you very much. i selling ceramic bezel as 240USD. because factory wholeslaer ask very high crazy price... we really have no choose. hope you can understand that.thank you again regards mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 This price from the factory is just insane, and again, the PVD coated one is just as good optically. There's one interesting experience to do : get the bezel from the Quartz version and check if it fits. That one costs 160 USD, including a brand new strap (which sells 70 USD alone)... One member has ordered the quartz, if any interest, I'm ready to send him the tool to test. Anyway, it seems the best bargain around is the "V2" HBB for 405 dollars. As Mickey page mentionned, all versions have anyway flaws to some extent, and surely the dial matter is not worse than stickers on the rotor. My RG order leaves today, I'll surely keep you updated for the week-end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmark Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 This price from the factory is just insane, and again, the PVD coated one is just as good optically. There's one interesting experience to do : get the bezel from the Quartz version and check if it fits. That one costs 160 USD, including a brand new strap (which sells 70 USD alone)... One member has ordered the quartz, if any interest, I'm ready to send him the tool to test. Anyway, it seems the best bargain around is the "V2" HBB for 405 dollars. As Mickey page mentionned, all versions have anyway flaws to some extent, and surely the dial matter is not worse than stickers on the rotor. My RG order leaves today, I'll surely keep you updated for the week-end. dear pix the quartz HBB is not use ceramic bezel. that is use PVD bezel... thanks regards mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Sure, that is clear. But I was mentionning that actually the PVD bezel looks as good as the ceramic one. It's enough. No real need for ceramic if someone can adapt the Quartz bezel on his automatic HBB... I also think that the 405 USD version is not real ceramic but PVD. This will be checked when my new order arrives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc savage Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Someone ordered one (the rose gold 21K movement) and confirmed that it's a real ceramic bezel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Sounds more than good : also means that 200+ dollars for the ceramic bezel alone is a scam from the manufacturer, as the RG with RG bezel costs 375 from Silix, i.e. you pay 30 dollars for the bezel, which is what the bezel alone should be invoiced. Let's say that 50-60 dollars would be a reasonable price. BTW, has anyone paid that much for the bezel ? I was lucky enough to pay 60 USD for the PVD one + tool from a board member. I find strange the fact that Mark is the only one offering this V2 HBB... Good point for him. But what do the other dealer do ? I hope noone has the bad idea to sell a V2 as a V1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 BTW, did you notice that Watchmark is no more an apprentice, but a confirmed board dealer ? Congratulations ! Keep the good service to RWG members, that's my wish for all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 BTW, did you notice that Watchmark is no more an apprentice, but a confirmed board dealer ? Congratulations ! Keep the good service to RWG members, that's my wish for all of us. That is indeed great news, congrats Watchmark! Maybe you could celebrate by offering us RWG forum members a special deal/offer on a watch or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 How about a 28.8k version with A/R, real ceramic and proper dial for lets say 500? how would that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc savage Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 The reasonably priced Lite models from Silix and others have the 28K movement, to further confuse the issue. The bottom line is, as always, the manufacturers are extracing the maximum amount possible for a desireable item with a limited number of suppliers. The movement type (21K or 28K) and bezel material (ceramic, PVD, or plated) DO affect the manufacturing costs, but only slightly. The retail price is comfortably high, borne by a massively inflated price when the replica was new--the manufacturer(s) are trying to keep the bubble inflated as long as possible. Some comparisons: Silix SS HBB (Lite) with PVD bezel, 28,000bph high beat: $245 For whatever reason the Silix Ice Bang lite costs more: $315 Watchmark PVD Luna Rossa with SS bezel and 21,600bph low beat: $295 So you get pretty much the same price for the watch with the inferior movement. I wish someone would do a side-by-side comparison of the 21K and 28K watches. I remember reading about them when the new rotor stickers were first spotted, but they were dismissed as low quality although I don't really remember where I saw that. Since they are made by different factories it would be good to know all their differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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