Francisco Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 As you know a new version of AP with running seconds at 12 is available. The question is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalayclass Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thank you for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajoesmith Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Very good and informative info Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Amazing mate........thanks a lot for this.....cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobs1971 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thnx for this review! Unfortunately the movement appears to be what I was already afraid of..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo_till Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Great job Francisco! Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thanks and...ruh roh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Nice review Francisco. It appears that there always seems to be problems whenever modifications are done to A7750's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elprimerozen Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thanks for an excellent review. I don't really need another $500 paperweight. I was curious whether you would feel a lot better about the movement if the E gear were in fact jeweled. If I read your review correctly there are two critical problems. The first relates to the minutes of the chrono which is seldom used but the second relates to the lack of a jewel on the running seconds gear which is bound to have a problem since it is running whenever the watch is running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Great review. It looks like they followed the design of the Seconds at 3 model and installed jewels where they could. Other than the silver transfer gear over the cannon pinion/hour wheel (which you can't add a jewel to), it looks basically the same as the seconds at 3 model. Based on your pictures and lack of reports of failures with the seconds at 3 model, I think this new model is going to be just fine. Thanks for posting the pics. RG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobs1971 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Based on your pictures and lack of reports of failures with the seconds at 3 model, I think this new model is going to be just fine. So there's hope after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youpmelone Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Great review. It looks like they followed the design of the Seconds at 3 model and installed jewels where they could. Other than the silver transfer gear over the cannon pinion/hour wheel (which you can't add a jewel to), it looks basically the same as the seconds at 3 model. Based on your pictures and lack of reports of failures with the seconds at 3 model, I think this new model is going to be just fine. Thanks for posting the pics. RG Now this is really getting interesting, can this model be services in advance (graphite?) to enhance it s chances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 WOW That is a friggin awesome post dude Thank you for that even my dumb [censored] understood it. Much appreciation for your time and efforts ST4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Great review. It looks like they followed the design of the Seconds at 3 model and installed jewels where they could. Other than the silver transfer gear over the cannon pinion/hour wheel (which you can't add a jewel to), it looks basically the same as the seconds at 3 model. Based on your pictures and lack of reports of failures with the seconds at 3 model, I think this new model is going to be just fine. Thanks for posting the pics. RG Thanks for your comments. Some points to discuss: 1.- If a gear like the silver one, E, has to be employed, and no jeweling is possible...why not to use it for the minutes transfer? 2.- The idea of the double gear, B, seems very smart. The minutes transfer again is much better done than the seconds transfer....so strange! 3.- There is a post here, RWG, where some buyers are complaining about problems in this mechanism. And they have the same symptoms like Portuguese and Daytona...stopping after 10 minutes of running, for example. The post is here: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=77611 Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thanks for your comments. Some points to discuss: 1.- If a gear like the silver one, E, has to be employed, and no jeweling is possible...why not to use it for the minutes transfer? 2.- The idea of the double gear, B, seems very smart. The minutes transfer again is much better done than the seconds transfer....so strange! 3.- There is a post here, RWG, where some buyers are complaining about problems in this mechanism. And they have the same symptoms like Portuguese and Daytona...stopping after 10 minutes of running, for example. The post is here: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=77611 Francisco. I have asked this question when the first came out with the ETA 7750 with seconds at 6. Why not take the running seconds gears, and go directly accross, from 9 on the dial to 6, or in this watch, from 9 directly via 3 gears to 12. Why they use 5 gears when 3 would do the job, with NO friction, I'll never understand... I did see that some buyers have had problems with this model, but the same is true for many watches and movements, even the normal A7750 has failures. Since this design is very close to the seconds at 3 model, my opinion is that it's going to be a good movement overall. The failures that members have had, would have to be looked at to see exactly what the problem is, keep in mind that most of these movements are not regulated or adjusted, if the beat is out, the watch will not run well or at all. Beat is only an adjustment, it doesn't mean there is something wrong with the design. As for the graphite solution on this one, I would only put a small drop of graphite on the silver gear that goes over the center post, the rest of the gears are jewelled and should be ok. Great info, thanks again. RG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 RG, have you tested the graphite method yet? Great discussion in this thread with RG and Francisco in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thank you, Francisco. Looks like I'll be staying away from what appears to be a not-so-distant cousin of the Daytona seconds at six! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thank you, Francisco. Looks like I'll be staying away from what appears to be a not-so-distant cousin of the Daytona seconds at six! As I said in the post..it is much better...only time will say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwatchs Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Bravo Francisco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 RG, have you tested the graphite method yet? Great discussion in this thread with RG and Francisco in here. Not yet, haven't had any running seconds at 6 models in for service. RG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialvat Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Thanks for the review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertk Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Terrifice review and very informative. I've held back on this movement and probably still wait to hear "field" reports from other users. I have two seconds at 6 (daytona and IWC) and the IWC has become a paperweight so I'm still taking a "wait and see" attitude. I sure hope The Zigmeister is right. Think of the other possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 post of the month for sure!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 So if i understand the last couple of posts correctly from Ziggy and Franciso, this is better than the porto and the daytona movement, but it would have been better it the transfer of mins was routed via the co-axial gear and use the jeweled gears for the transfer of seconds, If problems do happen then the graphite lube of the co-axial gear MAY be a solution but in general there is a chance that this may be a usable movement, Ok got it i think this will stay on my list and when i have the cash i think i will go for it. Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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