ubiquitous Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 As an aside- LePrelet typically has the square style font... Bey dials usually have the rounder fonts and a strange inherent characteristic for bubbling surface paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebite Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Caseback markings and movement are AOK. You've got yourself a nice original vintage Tudor! Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebite Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 You can also note the typical VI 68 date (inside caseback) There's no such thing as a 6th quarter in a year except at Rolex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavidoc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) Well done. Only thing on that beauty that is not original is the insert. All else IMO is original to the watch. I disagree with Ubi and believe the dial and hands have the original lume. It appears to have the correct thickness for 7016's and 7021's. Below are three images. The first two are mine, the 2nd is not. Watch one is a very early serial # 9411 that I owned (it was a 798XXX which puts it at the beginning of the 9411 production as the 7021 and 7016's ended shortly before that). The 2nd is a 7016 that was dated to I 68 and had the 7528 caseback stamp. The third is also a 7016 but with snowflake. Your lume is similar to these. I could see how the yak pee yellow of the indices might have you concerned but I wouldn't be. Edited June 17, 2009 by gavidoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 gavidoc- I'd agree, except the differences in lume are specific to the manufacturer of the dials. LePrelet have lume applied in a different manner: The above are both LP dials. Yours are more characteristic of Beyeler. And I should clarify that my comment on lume was only regarding the dial. Hands look fine (I agree with you there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre V Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Excellent information guys! This is really a good discussion going on. Thanks for the pictures of the dial-backs. This 7021 will be undergoing servicing in a couple of hours and I will take more updated pics for referencing. Just got an email from CWP and they have the 5513 insert in stock....contemplating on going with CWP or genuine vintage insert... Going to take it slow now. Meanwhile, I will be taking this Snowy to the Rolex centre and get a new bracelet on, so as not to overstretch the original one. All your comments are valuable and much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 You have to go gen on the insert. Nothing compares... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavidoc Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) You have to go gen on the insert. Nothing compares... Agree. Aftermarket with the correct pearl are close but still not the same. Sorry about the hands thing Ubi. Didn't notice you weren't referring to those. Agree that the dials have different lume. Current Rolex service snowflake dials are thick like the Beyeler's even though the service centers lume them since they are delivered unlumed. Edited June 18, 2009 by gavidoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre V Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 You have to go gen on the insert. Nothing compares... Indeed R! Will shoot for a faded one if possible.... An update on the dial: I have checked out the back of the dial and it's a Le Prelet. The letterings are exactly the same as the one you photographed: Will take more photos when I get my macro lens in action. Meanwhile, Snowy's still apart at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 I love this thread. I'm learning quite a lot! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 I love this thread. I'm learning quite a lot! Thanks +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Learning a lot? That's an understatement. Just when I start to think I'm getting a handle on the intricacies of watches, POW!! Ubi takes it to a whole 'nother level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 The thing with Rolex/Tudor is that there is always something new to learn or discover. It's a constant education process; I'm finding that I'm always learning something new every day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 .......... there is always something new to learn or discover. It's a constant education process; I'm finding that I'm always learning something new every day... I love this place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsupilami Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 another genuine dial... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddog Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) Agree. Aftermarket with the correct pearl are close but still not the same. Sorry about the hands thing Ubi. Didn't notice you weren't referring to those. Agree that the dials have different lume. Current Rolex service snowflake dials are thick like the Beyeler's even though the service centers lume them since they are delivered unlumed. Firstly, congratulations! you have a beautiful , and very genuine Tudor submariner...... well at least for the most part..... I'm 99% sure your hands are aftermarket.... look at the length of the end piece on the second hand, away from the lumed section... it's considerably shorter than the length of the genuine snowflake second hands...also the finish is highly polished, which is not correct. These are both tell tale signs of aftermarket hands. The originals were always slightly brushed to dull down the finish a bit.... but seriously, these are minor issues on an absolutely gorgeous watch!!! Wear it in good health, and tell anyone who questions any authenticity to go stuff it, they're just jealous!!!! All the best Eddog Edited June 19, 2009 by eddog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Haha... I dunno why, but lately, I have not been paying attention to hands! Well, at least not the shape. I spent more time looking at the lume that I completely missed it, and eddog makes a very valid point- The shape of hands is a bit off. I see exactly what he's pointed out about the tail of the seconds hand. Not entirely sure I agree with the statement on the finish of the hands, though; polished is fine and I have seen genuine hands finished in this manner. NOS: Funny how sometimes we look so closely to some of the details that others get overlooked...` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre V Posted June 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Thanks for all the comments. Indeed the hands are aftermarket. I have already made a comparison with my friend's Snowflake and there are 2 observations (after eddog's findings): 1) The Hour (Triangular-shaped) hand is "shorter". 2) The Second hand's back-portion is "shorter". This has led to a firm conclusion that the hands are aftermarket. After reading this, I gave the seller a call, and he's agreed to send another set of hands from his other Snowflake --- in exchange for this aftermarket ones. Thank you all for your observations. It's the collective eyeballs that will rectify this situation I am facing. Well, looks like gens need to be reworked sometimes, as you never know how some aftermarket parts can be swapped in without collectors knowing. It's through investigation that we are able to deduce such variations. Will keep you guys updated once this "hands-issue" has been resolved. *Watch has been serviced over the morning and is back in my hands. :* TGIF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavidoc Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Guys, Are you sure about those hands? Those pictures make it hard to say for certain IMO due to the angles. When compared to the second hand on my blue snowflake which was just serviced at the RSC Australia, the tail of the second hand looks longer (based on some of those pictures). The hour hand and minute hand lengths look correct from some of those images. Rule of Thumb that was pointed out to me: Simple way to check to see if the hands are indeed correct is to line them all up at the 6 or 9 index. The end of the hour hand will be right on the inner edge of the marker. The minute hand tip will be on the outer edge of the marker. The center of the second hand diamond will be in line with the inner edge of the marker and the "tip" will be in line with the outer edge of the marker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre V Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Update as of 2nd July 2009: 1) Hands have arrived and replaced. While the 1st set of hands do match the indices more, these "historically correct" replacement hands look to be fitting for the age of this 7021. As far as the 1st set of hands is concerned, I was under the impression that they could've been a set of serviced but the "hour" hand is way too short compared to the genuines --- so my suspicions are with the aftermarket. 2) Gen insert with tritium pearl in transit so am eagerly awaiting. If you look at the whole watch face as of now, there are 3 distinctive colours, from the pearl, to the indices and to the dial. Kind of weird but nonetheless, I am expected the same 3 variations as well with the gen pearl. ---- Some love matching, others love non...I am kinda torn in between Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Me Likey!.... Now, in order to have one of these, one would have to source the case with matching caseback, or is there a source for the case backs? E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Good luck with the caseback, these have a groove that the opening tool fits into, instead of raised teeth like Rolex backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Yuki sells them separately. But pricey E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Yuki sells them separately. But pricey E such is this hobby if you want the right parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Well, pricey if n a budget, but fair if you need something close to spec E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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