docblackrock

Pug, why do I only get a blurred still image from your host site?

Ditto Seems TOSH isn't that keen after all so why post???

"Nibbler's Fang" - was trying to think of a suitable visual description but that's inspired! I know, god knows why they come up with such an inelegant design having decided to put the PR dial-side? The old eight day movt. had a standard 'leaf' hand on the backside (pointless for a PR I know) but at least it looked like it belonged there. As for the new springbars, I've yet to see them in person or pics but they are just one of a number of anti-counterfeit measures Panerai have taken... - Panerai metal bracelets will no longer have screws on each link. - All 44mm Luminors are going to have the new push-pin strap change system. - All Luminor cases are now more shock resistant. There are no screws that attach the movement to the case anymore, and these screws are now replaced with rings and gaskets. - "Runner" on crown lever now. This "runner" is a ball at the base of the lever which rolls back and forth on the crown. This allows for easier closing and opening of the lever. - On the inside of all Panerai deployant buckles, there will be "Panerai" raised lettering.

I agree 100% - this is a clear move by OP signalling their future marketing strategy, although one they've been planning for a long time, well before the ETA and 'style over substance' whisperings began. Let the trend 'sheep' move on elsewhere I'll be interested to see what happens over the next year or two though - hopefully some of the "quirkier/uglier" dial features will disappear or be smoothed over and we'll see some truly great watches I'm 99% certain I'll buy a gen in the same next year or two, and I'm also 99% certain it will be from the Manifatture range - I don't see the 'value' in buying a base, not that I'm dismissive of people who do. Horses for courses....

Excellent now that's EXACTLY what I was talking about Pugs. MotoGP sounds much more 'fun' IMO Alonso is a true gent, the model professional sportsman, great attitude, a born winner with a cool head, possessed with sublime vision and preternatural passing skills.....sure, he's been a little off the pace this season, unlike last year, but I truly believe we will soon again see the rise of the imperious and incomparable Alonso...... .......Xabi, that is

In what way is the dial 'updated' from previous 253 which has been out for a little while now? Oh and your photos ('cept one) are not working....

Hmmm, great minds think alike

So, I'm in the process (at long last) of modding my beloved 187......new 'correct' datewheel, which will be less sunken once I disable chrono transfer gears....nice A/R job booked in......new kevlar strap and dive buckle ordered.....but then I notice it. Having sat in my box since last summer, I notice that the '1000' on the dial is even less prominent than I remember. I know this was never spot on originally and maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but it's quite hard to make out without a close look - dark/faint dark blue/grey and VERY unlike the vibrant bright blue (officially called 'azure') of the gen. Would love to fix even partially especially since the A/R will highlight it even further (to my eye, which is what counts). I vaguely recall someone talking about 'night paint'??? Of course, I may be talking complete pish there So, any bright sparks out there with possible solutions? Rep.... Gen....

Nope, meridian as in the m in AM/PM But I agree....weird. As is the blue dot on the sub-seconds on the Tourbillon - assume it rotates proportional to the movement of the Tourby itself, and independent of the second hand? Personally, I'd have the 10-day GMT in a flash - it's not so much the linear form of the PR that bothers me, more the aesthetics of the clumsy-looking indicator At least it's on the front this time, unlike the 'old' eight-day movt, but I can't believe they couldn't have made it look more elegant. Still I get to see/try the watch in the flesh next week so I'll let you know

You're welcome, and Doc is fine I agree - the Ferrari project is just a marketing exercise IMO - the Manifatture range is where it's really at, horologically-speaking. I also think the new movements have a certain elegance to them, not just in terms of the understated decoration on the bridge plates ("plain" to some), but also the mechanisms such as the tourby cage. What I don't understand though and therefore annoys me is that despite these impressive movements, and use of say, a 44mm 1950 case ( ), they then go and balls it up dial-side with some really cheap and nasty looking features, such as the power reserve and meridian indicators. Why???

"Elephant hunting" is right

Received a nice little catalogue yesterday - some associated info and pics below thought I'd share Question is whilst you have to ackowledge and admire the shift towards inhouse movts and required investment and craftmanship to do so, I must admit the resulting design of the production models leaves me...well a little cold. Some very 'busy' layouts and awkward indicators, and a significant step away from their classic looks. I really like the PAM270 which essentially is a 44mm Fiddy-cased 10 Days GMT with date (no cyclops looks good) except that horrible PR gauge and AM/PM indicator just ruin it Hopefully they will make a 289 (8-day GMT - picture 6) but in SS instead of pink gold I suppose evolution is inevitable, just that it will take some getting used to. Movts. P.2002 - 8 Days GMT; manual winding P.2003 - 10 Days GMT; automatic winding P.2004 - 8 Days GMT Chrono Monopulsante; manual winding P.2005 - 6 Days GMT Tourbillon; manual winding

Attention-seeker

Zzzzzz.........hrmmpph? What, you guys still talking about current F1 stuff? Sorry must have dozed off there thought this was a Tag Heuer subforum Seriously though I wonder if anyone can convince me otherwise as I just don't get it. I feel F1 stopped being a sport when the technical aspect took over from competitive and unassisted driving skills. Also the dearth of any genuine characters amongst the drivers - I'm not old enough to remember the likes of Fangio and Moss, but Hunt, Fittipaldi, Piquet, Prost, Mansell, and the incomparable Senna all seemed to be a breed apart combining genius with aggressiveness...unlike the dull automatons that inhabit the cockpits these days, pushing buttons when told to via headset comms. The only modern-era character - an anomaly and the last of the kind - was Eddie Irvine - top bloke - who celebrated his first F1 GP by deliberately cutting up Senna, receiving a post-race punch in the face for his troubles, which Irvine graciously accepted he probably deserved Characters aside, I actually remember when positions changed every lap at one or two corners, when scientists tried to work out what other drivers couldn't - just how Senna was so fast (turns out he braked and changed down gears much later into corners and used his small feet to 'heel-toe' keeping the revs up for exiting), when "team orders" meant a lunch delivery, and when teammate 'wars' were actually deep-seated and bitter personal vendettas...Prost and Senna, Prost and Mansell, Prost and well, anyone really. Mansell-Shumacher "the early years" and Shumacher-Hill had vendetta potential but the dirty tricks (and thus, excitement) petered out when both Brits retired from F1 signalling the final death knell for my interest in what had become of the 'sport'. Now, drivers come and go, and despite the media-led 'battle' between these guys, it's much more about constructors and corporate sponsors these days. I think it's no coincidence that the seminal point was 1994 and San Marino. For me, a critical part of F1 died along with Senna at Tamburello. His untimely death ushered in a renewed concern for driver safety, which ultimately (and unfortunately) brought with it a greater emphasis on technical advances in F1 car design at the expense of those individual driver skills and with them, true competition. *deep sigh*

:lol: As if losing in the first round on his supposedly best surface at Queens against an 18-year rookie wasn't bad enough, he's had to be given a wildcard just to get into Nottingham. I mean FFS, the guy hasn't won a match (MATCH!!!) since October last year. God knows we Brits love a plucky loser, but it's really quite pathetic and lacking in self-respect to delude himself like this, and embarrassing for most of us to witness. If he loves tennis so much then there are plenty of other ways to get involved where he can actually contribute - not as if he needs the money Someone should have a quiet 'word', methinks.....Henman is no Agassi or McEnroe after all.

p.s. despite the obvious attractions, AS movts =

Ditto Bagsy second slot

Interesting your Date is from 1966 - same year the 1680 replaced the 5512 becoming the first Sub to have a date-with-COSC-movement as standard - the cal. 1575. Also may explain your datewheel - that can't be original, must be a RSC swapout - would make sense as the c.1575 was ubiquitous from '66 to approx '78 - reasonable to assume the watch had a service at least once in those 11 years if not later in life.

Hence my question about movt. That's why you sometimes you need to take a step back and consider the basics first and kick on from there....case, dial, movement, hands, datewheel etc.....like putting a jigsaw puzzle together. It's very easy to jump ahead without considering all the possible challenges and pitfalls, we're all guilty of it trust me p.s. scratch what I said about Tudor DWs - realise they use standard ETA datefont not the customised Rolex font, sorry.

Credit where it's due Ubi.....should read "thanks to docblackrock's 'font nerd' girlfriend" (if she reads this.... )

is there an echo in here?

One fly in the ointment you (and alligoat) are forgetting.... Using a genuine or aftermarket (the Texas guy) 3035/3135 datewheel as an overlay will not work, unless you like to travel back in time Clockwise or anticlockwise issues aside, your DWs do not have the correct font for a vintage project - your best bet is either a Watchmeister overlay or a Tudor DW.

I'm still confused! Let's take a step back, never mind the dial, window or datewheel.....what movt are you using???

Stil not sure exactly what you're trying to do here. Maybe you could clarify exactly what movt you have?

Gorgeous, you know my thoughts on the Nautilus, Ubi Do drop me an email re. source (although I can hazard a guess ) I still dream and drool at the thought of the slate-grey/blue dialled beauty of the new 5980 and chrono though, mmmmmm...