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Welcome to York my friend! I was there on Sunday with my wife, very busy down by the River. go to the Kings Arms there, it is an institution in York. The Living Room across the water has a nice atmosphere for a meal too. We will have to meet up one Saturday soon. Maybe some other guys can come over too.

I have had many many Rolex watches through my hands in the last 10 years and dial print varies very much as do other small details. We as rep men/women look at the very smallest thing and over analyse every time. All genuine watch makers vary slightly whether it be a different dial print to how high the crystal sits above the bezel and how the bezel feels even. It does not make them fake but rather it makes them individual. They are generally hand assembled and that will always lead to differences. As to the Seadweller, you are right. It is a much more imposing watch on the wrist and the fake will be out in early november so watch this space!

Blowers usually work on around 4-500 pounds on a Sub based on trade in values. Never pay a premium for a Submariner or Seadweller now because availability is much improved. 3 Rolex dealers close to me all have Subs in the window now plus SD's too. Here is a wristt pic of that same SuBmariner. and the SD is swapped it for

I sold this to Blowers a few months ago and it is a Z serial from October 2006. I remember it well as I swapped it for an Sd before selling it to them in exchange for an IWC doppelchrono Fleiger. The cg's are not quite even on this one which is why I recognise it. The bezel insert is perfect, just not centered. Small world!!

I have received an update from WM9 this morning with the following email. You can read into this what you want but I will remain unbiased until such time I have to change my viewpoint. Thank you for shopping at WATCHMAKER9.TV. Our watchmaker has scheduled making your Submariner 16610. The making process takes about 9~15 working days and then the watch will undergo with a 48 hour test for reliability and water resistance. We fully test the reliable Swiss time keeping machine for 48 hour and fine tune each of them to meet the critical C.O.S.C standard before we ship a watch out. The estimate delivery time of your order is Friday, Oct 26, 2007. We shall see what happens.

You are going to confuse the guy now! The vintage models will accept gen parts easier than the modern sub. Neither crown, tube, certainly not an insert without alterations and NOT tropic crystals(on modern version) will fit without modification to either the case or parts . If you want to make an accurate Sub you need a 1680 vintage Sub and not the modern one without a lot of work!

Well you may be right and you may be wrong but we will find out for sure this time rather than a new poster showing pictures of the possible watch, it will be a veteren collector who does or does not

I have done that and received good responses from George so far. I'm testing the water on this and will just add that I have paid quite a bit less than $650. I will keep updated and post pictures and thoughts when it arrives, whenever that is! I have been around a long time and most of you know that I will be honest about it and not here to promote this guys goods. If at the time I have a gen Sub in my possesion I will post comparison angles for you too.

I'd not seen the Yachtie price. 2800 is pretty good for a 2002 peice I would go for that too if I was you.

I have replied already my friend.

2500 pounds is the limit for a 1990 Sub 16613 and a bit less for a black dias version. I bought one for 1250 a couple of months ago('L' serial) that just needed a good polish but did not have papers with it as they are pretty pointless on a watch that is 17 years old. It did have it's box and I sold it on for 1900 restored. you cannot give Yachties away at the moment and this one should be no more than 3250 and offer 3000.

Well I have paid for it and I will be the guinea pig so to speak. It will be interesting to see if it ships within the UK to me!

The price George is quoting me is less than $655 by a long way because I was on the pre-order list. I think I will get one for the hell of it and see what happens. I like it actually and as by-tor says, it is the best one so far in many ways. I will let you all know what happens.

Yes I did and never heard anything since. I would still be interested but not at $650+ I don't mind solid midlinks as it adds a better feel to the watch. I have this exact bracelet on a Sub I received from Eddielee a while ago. It is a good one with 3 peice end links and a nice clasp. I have sent an email to WM9 and we will see what happens this time and what price he offers me one for! Just received an automated email back stating this: Dear Customer: Due to the high volume of incoming email requests, there may be delays to your reply. I will try my best to answer your question as soon as possible. If I have not replied you in 48 hours, please give me another short message as a reminder for me to look up your previous email. My profound apologies if there is delay to your reply! And I appreciate your great support and patience. Thank you! Have a wonderful day! George Watchmaker9 chief support staff

I have just looked at Watchmaker9's website and the updated 2007 Sub now has better pictures with bracelet etc and it does look much better than other versions but not 1:1 yet. Also in the pics the watch appears to have a correct thick crown tube and crown. The position of the crown looks pretty good too. Hope fully the pics will show here. His price is a joke though!!

The case may be thicker than a Sub but the crown is positioned much higher in the guards than a Sub with a more shallow rehaut too. Here is a piture 0of my gen SD to show the height of the crown.

Beautiful. The 42mm PO is much better balanced than the big ugly 45mm! I wish they would create an ultimate 42mm!! Enjoy!

I've had a 2004 PAM111 that had athe stock blue purple tint and then swapped that for a G series 2005 PAM112 that had a green tint. They never stand out quite like double coatings so it probably does not matter quite so much on Panerai.

He is a bit of a muppet to be honest! I bought a set of Sub hands from hiim and eventually sent Daytona hands. I sent them back and he says he never received them and then had the cheek to ask me to pay again through Ebay. I sent him a reply stating of that and having both lost something, I said forget it and don't leave any feedback. I will not use him again, it's not worth the hassle.

King's was the pre-production model and the orange border was fixed on final production and release. She always displays watches before release for some reason. She has shown the standard Aquatimer for wekks now and it's not even out yet.

Slipped on the Rubber for the weekend

Not sure but the 2500 series movement is very different form the 2824.

Gen dial does'nt work on the rep as the date wheel is not wide enough, another member tried this without success. I'm happy enough now the crystal is fitted...................................................................well maybe a new set of hands

If you have the UPO eta version then the hands should fit ok. The gen will have better lume though. As for the dial, one member tried this without success. The date window is different on the rep in that the date wheel is thinner than that of the 2500 movement fitted to the genuine watch. When he fitted the gen dial there was a gap on the date window becasue the wheel was not fat enough. good luck with your mods. I chose to stop after fitting the gen double AR crystal from Ofrei. That made a massive difference.

Have alook at Knigs site. She is showing an SD with gen movment inside. I'm confused by this listing as you will see on the dial. Fat hands and fat markers like the Yachtmaster but very good script. THe bezel lookks great but the pearl is crap. Open date fonts but that is probably because of the movement inside. Everything elase looks very good. I wonder what the 2892 version looks like??? http://www.cclv.net/