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Mon- 16610 WM9 franken: Tues- Pre-A 009:

Happy birthday, buddy!

Absolutely incredible! You have a work of art on your wrist! VDB is a master at these gorgeous vintage beauties!

Getting antsy waiting for mine! Hopefully soon...

cskent- For a Pre-A 002, the dial is correct There seem to be some other exceptions as well in which this dial would be acceptable in the gen world; i.e. a 6502 A prefixed case, etc.

Wife just reminded me of another silly WIS thing that I partake in- All watches that have wound down and are sitting patiently in the watch box are set to 10:10 to keep a consistent and constant theme...

Oh, I don't refute the fact that there is high price attached to the items only because of the haute brand name; however, I do see how the cost of R&D would be factored into the price of either a 3120 AP movement or a 4130 Rolex movement. Both are quite new, having only been released for a few years per. Not enough ammortization yet to earn back investment costs. Rather, my initial argument was on the basis of the whole '4 cylinder on a Ferrari' reference. The point that I wanted to get across was that it's still the same DD module being used on a base caliber. However, at least the cost is somewhat justified as now one is buying into a newer in house basis. Doesn't necessarily make it any more reliable though... P.S. No offense taken. Just ribbin' ya!

Heh... I get a kick out of people who get a kick out of people who get a kick from tooling references.

TriosLescano's avatar cracks me up. Only because I don't understand the relevance...

Wrapping up yet another week... Fri- 16520: Sat- Pre-A 009: Sun- 9411:

Super Mario Bros.!! Nice watch Mac! I've not been a huge HBB fan, but man, that is one amazing caseback! Looking great!

I've had a difficult time capturing as well. That etch is an elusive little bugger!

Great review as always! Quick to get down to business and nice and concise! The classic BT style! It's amazing that it's taken this long to get a Submariner rep of this quality. Only 2 decades into the genuine 16610's production run to get it right... At any rate... I love mine! It now has a permanent home in my collection...

Pretty good deal on these. The cost of the watch is probably worth it in the movement alone. I don't see 2483's often... Congrats to those who snagged one in time

You're correct. However, Seiko has already made the costs back on their investment for the Miyota powered line. To contrast, if you were to look at their Spring Drive line, or Credor line, the same logic as I mentioned above applies- New designs and applications in movements at a higher price. They have to make back their investment, and these lines are produced at a higher quality to tap into the market share.

When talking about about an in house movement, you have to take into account that the manufacturer has to recover investmentment in R&D of the movement, tooling, and other overhead. The 4130 was in the design/development stages for several years, as was the AP 3120. DD modules are convenient for a manufacturer who wants to implement a chronograph/stopwatch without having to take on the expenditure to get there. Especially when they can implement the base caliber across diverse product lines to help ammortize costs. Besides, AP/R&P would rather invest that money into their haute complications, where the cost is a little more justified...

ROFL @ 3 flame posts

My point is- With the other brands, you're paying for an ETA 2892 with DD module to get a 2894; in AP's case, you're paying more for either the JLC base, or for the AP in house caliber. It's not an apples to apples comparison. The only constant is the non-integrated module based chrono add on. However, AP is producing their own movements; just not the full stretch with their chronographs as of yet (they're still using the FP1185 in the 25860). One's perception of worth is subjective, however there is a little more cost justification with an in-house base. As a basis, a new, off the shelf 15300 Royal Oak with the 15300 is around $12,500 MSRP on it's own. Is the ROO case, module add on and other differences worth the extra premium? Obviously, there is a market willing to shell out the cash for it...

Bored as well. But bored with watches more than anything, methinks...

Unreal. Absolutely beautiful!

Fidestro- They are making their own movements- the 3120 caliber is an in house development. So, in this particular case, they are using the DD module on their proprietary base caliber. Not entirely in-house, but more in house than most others using the same module...

I'd agree, though it would require some pretty significant polishing and machining to get the underside of the lugs to turn up like that. The gens have the underside surface concaved following the contour of the case... Looking forward to seeing yours when you get it. Pretty cool piece for a great price!

The only thing that doesn't look gen on Chris and Steph's watch is the contouring on the underside of the CG's. They shouldn't turn upwards until towards the outer tips...

Great choice!

I see it pretty clearly on my monitor; well defined lip where the case steps down to accomodate the caseback...