RobbieG

It is going to be pretty tough to spot if it is colorless. You wouldn't really see a difference in the crystal itself especially given that the AR isn't all that strong according to what I am hearing from my Rolex guy.

I don't know much about this stuff guys, but it is possible that the AR is "impregnated" in the glass or something as part of the blowing process or some other process getting the AR into the middle of the glass somehow when they make the cyclops? Rolex is certainly the one company who would do something crazy like that and is famous for pulling stunts of that nature...

That is not what I'm hearing which is that they have been using some kind of AR since the F serials. The AR doesn't have to be scratchproof if on the underside of course. There is no doubt that something is there to me so it is easier to believe it. It is colorless though that is for sure and not particularly strong. Like Chief says, I think maybe that may be the added mystery of the GMTIIc issue which makes the cyclops look like double AR strength?

+1. I feel for you brother TJ. Not that it makes you feel any better but most families have something like that - I do too... And start sending him your dead Asian reps on your anniversary every year too. Enclose a blank note on your wife stationary printed with her Step-Father's last name on it to punctuate your "message"...

Good point and to that end the TT gen in this version is WAY heavier now than the old hollow mid link watches - not to mention the case is heavier now too with the new beefy lug and CG design and bigger overall case.

Keep in mind that Rolex claims to use single sided AR on all its watch crystals since the F serials. It is colorless they claim as well. If you look at my gen DJ it is obvious to me this is true, since I recall previous DJ's I owned which were much more reflective. It shows up especially on the cyclops of course. Modern Rolex watches have dates FAR easier to read than before (besides the extreme of the ceramic watch of course) The AR is very subtle though, but it is there to my eye so I have no issue with that claim. That is the funny thing about truly colorless AR - especially if it isn't very "strong" on purpose. Leaves a lot of room for people to debate. So they must do the cyclops too in some way as there is definitely a difference there and it is certainly not the underside crystal "standard" Rolex AR which is producing that level on the GMT.

It LIVES!. We haven't seen that one in a while...

How about this one, smart guy? Just kidding. But in all seriousness, should we take it you would rather not contribute to the discussion then? lol...

New Jubilee Aquatimer vintage homage... +1 on the non-chrono 2892 based Aquatimer as well, but I wish it were this original JC... I also wouldn't mind seeing this to see if I fall in love and if so I will get the gen for my wedding watch...

It will not likely fit as I beleive the rep is too small and otherwise it would need to be trimmed. I would be very difficult to find a dial anyway - unlike DJ and DD dials that have multiple options and get switched a lot. The only real viable SS YM is the Rolesium model and as such the dials stay with the watches...

I'm kind of surprised this rep didn't get more attention on its launch given what seemed to be a ravenous UN rep appetite now for many years. I'm thinking maybe they made an error repping a very controversial model just because it fit the A7750 mold. I fear though that this watch won't sell as well as they hoped and then they will incorrectly assume that UN's are not so in demand and they will never do another one. They really should listen to us more. I think we have all known for some time that the move was to to The non-chrono Maxi Marine Diver with a few dial choices with the Seagull 2892 clone. No brainer, but now they may never do it. You all should take a few minutes to email your favorite dealer right now and tell him to tell the maker that there is higher demand for the MMD if you intend to pass on this watch. It would be a shame to lose UN attention from them for another 5 years because they picked the wrong alpha watch...

Did you say genuine rubber strap?

I think when taking into account the relative lighting I would say the gold color is quite good (and they have been nailing that for some time now on many TT watches). I too had the gen for a time, and this watch looks really good. The GMT hand is more than a bit too thick as are the bezel numbers, but at less than macro distances neither would ever bug you in the least. And yes, the rehaut engraving looks as good as on could expect on this watch. If I were in the market for a TT watch, I wouldn't give it a second thought and instead of writing this now I would be emailing my dealer instead... BTW, keep in mind that Rolex is already doing slight little things to foil the counterfeiters on this watch. Instead of making the TT the same as the SS version they made the bezel numbers fatter on the TT than the SS and the GMT hand is not the same either. The TT green GMT hand is slightly fatter on some newer serials than the SS version which is slightly thinner. You would think the hands would al be the same but of course Rolex loves to do stuff like that to help people try and identify fakes. But then of course, the rep makers just figure these things out and then make newer versions and so it goes. Of all models the Datejust is one that is nearly comical how much Rolex has changed little things from serial to serial for no other reason. I actually had an AD once call out a gen DJ of mine as a fake because he thought something on it was inaccurate. Then I proved that particular issue to him and showed him that it was specific to Y serials. He is my buddy and still didn't believe me until we opened the watch and he matched up the movenment number to the case. Blew his mind and he has been an AD forever.

Good stuff Kruzer! I especially love the Finepics 9 and the Josh 36 and the GST. Those all bring back great memories for me. Finepics. Haven't heard that name in a while...

... don't forget Porn Star Toads who wear Rollie crowns....

+1. I'm curious about that too. I always wondered what the sell through numbers on the watch have been compared to the black and black/orange varients and what demographic and end use they are targeting with it. Definitely cool, but way sporty and doesn't seem to have quite as much versatility as the black. I always grin when I see Lani's on the orange rubber though. Cool looking as heck - but just wonder if anyone considers it a "specialty" piece due to the color scheme.

Give it a rest Jake. You have a history of this kind of crap and you know it. In case anyone doesn't know, what started the now famous war between Jake and I was EXACTLY something as silly as this. EXACTLY. I told a story on another forum whereby my Rolex AD claimed to have called out a rep GMT IIc in his store, then I agreed that the watch, while easily the rep of the year at the time had obvious flaws. Then it was on and he started attacking me personally - and hasn't stopped I might add. Will you stop at nothing to defend what YOU like Jake? What about what the rest of us think? How about if someone posted an opinion about something you didn't agree with and you actaully chose to be grown up and NOT start slinging mud about it? If anyone should dare give another point of view about a watch Jake proudly owns, or a dealer or maker HE happens to like or is loyal to there will be hell to pay. And God forbid, other members should chime in and give you an ubiased perspective and remind you this is an OPINION forum you get sh*tty with them too. Ease up man. Live and let live. That goes for Jetmid too. LOL. Do us all a favor....

From TZ Pug. They are hard to come by lately in the small size for some reason: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tre...50065&rid=0

I'm in Stilty. I'm about to start a whole new area interest in reps which will be participating in only a few select vintage Rollie watches, so this could not have come at a better time.

+1 If it is Swiss, I'm losing faith in ETA. If the Swiss can't make screws better than that I guess I'll stick with Asian movements, save the premium and take my chances. Of course I don't believe it for one second though. People who sell watches in this industry by and large are so full of crap it is comical. Swiss movement in a Chinese replica. Funny. And why? The whole notion has been more than beyond funny for some time now. Such a buzz word and so important. The watch is known Chinese but where the movement comes from is of grave importance? The crown can strip and the markers can be crooked and the lume can be uneven, but dammit, my movement is going to be Swiss and flawless! I wish makers would just say, "Look, we have two movements here. They could have come from anywhere. One is higher quality and one is of lesser quality as you can see. Forget the f'n Swiss. Which one do you want Mr. customer? We only have two." The funny thing is that either way, a watch is getting sold. Why risk it if you are a maker or dealer? Bad biz if you get caught. If the highest quality rep is only available with known Chinese movements they will still sell the same number of watches. But if there are questions people wait to pull the trigger until they figure out the truth and then they never do and buy it anyway and then get mad later instead if they feel misled. The whole dance is retarded. I say all the makers should say all movements are Asian (even if some ARE "Swiss") and of two general quality levels. The prices won't change anyway so what difference does it make? Two levels two prices. The issue is how much do you have into making each watch and what kind of margin is typical for the industry. It is what it is. There is a spread between what they have into the watch and what they sell it for and the number times the number they figure to sell is either worth their time to do the project or it isn't. "I have a YM here and it is the best version made or whatever and it comes with this movement. It might be Swiss, it might not be. We bought the movements in bulk and don't care. They were the best movements we could get for a price. The watch now costs this much, take it or leave it. As you can see it is pretty nice. Yeah, I know the price is higher but it is what it is as I don't do this for my health and we have a model that shows how many watches we are going to sell and what we need to sell them for to make the numbers work. Sorry, but this is just the way it is Mr. Customer. And if you want to be sure you have a genuine ETA, when this movement dies (and it probably won't) order one from Otto and drop it in for another lifetime of enjoyment." Signed, Mr. Chinese Watch Factory Guy I guarantee if makers started doing this it will probably increase their sales in goodwill because that quote is pretty close to the real truth. Why they have such a hard time with the truth is beyond me. None of the products the Chinese replicate ever make any excuses for quality. Try calling Mercedes and telling them you think the plastic they use for the shell of a glovebox in an S600 is shi*ty quality. They won't be spelling it out for you, but the answer you get (if you get one at all) will be to the effect of, "We used that crappy plastic because we have to make compromises when we build these things with quality vs. practicality so we can hit price points to be competitive in the industry. Sorry you don't like it, but F you. We are in this biz and know what the numbers have to be and if we thought the glove box was a deal breaker we would have addressed it. But instead we figured out that it dousn't affect our sales so we do it anyway. if you don't like it, don't buy the car..." I realize I'm over the top here but I'm trying to illustrate an important point. We keepers of the rep industry I think are all prone to some myopia in that we think somehow the industry sort of exists in a vacuum and at our pleasure and as such we think the industry shouldn't fit the same realities that every other business deals with. Life is all about cheap glove boxes and suspect movements swept under the carpet hoping nobody notices in an attempt to hit some numbers and make a buck. But I contend that allowing the controversy over these movements to keep going is a major mistep for these makers. They are digging a hole for themselves. They need to stop this feeling of interdependence on "Swiss" fitting in with these products, as eventually there will be no truth left and they only make themselves look bad. They need to start marketing products by saying. "Look, if you trust us to make the watch part right, then trust us when we say the Seagull movement is fine and you don't need an ETA. We stand by it and it works fine. After all it is only a replica. A Chinese replica built as close to "Swiss" quality as is possible in someone's living room that sells for 1/10th the price of the gen. You get what you pay for and as you can see, this is a good value"

Yeah, I forgot about that one. kind of in between. I knew you had picked one of those up and if I didn't tell you before - good score! Those splits are cool. The big pushers make it look so substantial and of course you can't beat the Ti. IMO, nobody executes Ti like IWC. Some brands just finish it off in such a way so as it feels cheap. Speaking of Breitling, they come to mind when I think of brands that don't execute Ti particularly well. Sorry to any Breit fans...

Yeah, I love that watch! With the subtle orange and dark blue? Awesome. I have often though of picking one up if I ever see one on TZ. I wonder if there might even me a NOS one floating around somewhere...

Funny you should mention that Ryyannon. Yes, incredible times. We are effectively huge S&P daytraders. My asset classes (all) in my funds are all intraday. We hold no positions overnight and the alpha dogs are all 100% volatilty based. Some have fixed risk, some variable, some have smoothed exits, some wide open, some trend biased, some countertrend - and good times? All I can say is WOW. Depending on what MM (Mother Market) decides to hand out (I don't believe in prediction of direction or intensity) we will return somewhere between 24-60% or more in the Alpha (meaning our leader) annually. 2007 and 2008 have both been record years with steadily increasing volatilty. For us more motion always means more favorable excursion which means more profits. It is simple math. We always win around the same percentage of trades (a bit less than half on average) and we always win at least a little more than we lose. That is constant so the wildcards which ultimately determine profit are the size of the average winners/losers (as they expand it just means more money) and of course the numbers of trades. When what turned out to be the atom bomb for the rest of the trading world hit in October the size of everything blew up like balloons and the number of trades more than quadrupled. It was insane to watch but not really scary as the system is the system and we are fully automated. I was calling the floor every day checking my numbers on screen because I didn't believe them at first. The Alpha returned 81% on its capital and we traded 18 days that month. November was significantly less but still would have also been a record in its own right if not for October, bringing in 33%. As you can imagine we and our investors, which are now all institutions, are blown away. I look like more than a hero and the high from that has been great. I'm grounded though and I know things will calm down and we will go back to more reasonable returns eventually. So yes, these are great times to trade intraday, but I would caution anyone strongly against doing it unless you really know what you are doing. I have spent years developing complex models to manage volatility and risk which kind of make it look easy but these markets are very scary. You have to know and be comfortable with expanding stops to bigger numbers from understanding risk and your system so you have the utmost confidence that your stop that used to be 12 ticks from the entry is now 50, but your math will hold as you are unbiased. It took years of testing forward and backwards to have that deep of an understading of my systems and how they interact with themselves and the market. In the end, if you saw my trades on a chart you would say, "Well yeah, duhh..", but it really took some major effort and a lot of failures to find that elegance and have it work well in ANY condition. The best part about October was not the money we made but the test of the system for me. I always had great data of what a REALLY contracted intraday market traded like so I could find the worst case low side, but until October I never knew what a really crazy intraday market expansion looked like. Knowing that I know how to NOT LOSE in both those conditions is all I care about. Winning and how much is not up to me. I manage risk and make sure I don't lose in the long run. What I make is whatever the market decides to give me... Gold? Long term trading only right now. Volatilty is here to stay - not fundamentally but because everything is going to be wild and news driven. Crazy news times are not good for gold trading IME. But with the long term currency issues worldwide being long metals is hard to fault. The problem is that even gold may not hold up as it is after all money. If things get really bad certainly one could make a case that it would be better to be long commodities. But I don't trade long term so I'm not really the guy to ask about any of that stuff really...

Just making sure you were paying attention Bergster.

Yes Dave, I'm sure at that size you do what you want and nobody has too much to say about it. LOL.