I don't think anyone is trying to run anyone off the forum, but when Red9k made his comments about subscriptions and then asked for the information he had posted to be removed, it rather came across like someone saying "I don't want to play anymore, so I'm taking my ball back, screw you guys, I'm going home...", and unintentionally or otherwise, comments like that are going to rub people the wrong way (yet no one started being abusive, telling him to get lost or anything like that). It has been pointed out that no one here has to make payments to support the forum, just that some choose to do so. It has also been pointed out, that without supporting payments, the forum would not exist in as stable a form as it does. When RG went down in the past, there has always been a place here for people to hang out till the RG servers come back up. No one begrudges anyone that, and I am sure that if the RWG servers were to go down, then likewise, RG and RWI would equally provide a little shelter, but the point which may be being missed, is that RWG is able to provide that facility because of the quality of the servers used, and sadly, those servers don't come cheap. It is because people choose to support the forum, that the forum is able to provide a little sanctuary to others in the times of need. I used to object to contribution fees, until I saw just what kind of a community exists here. People gift parts, watches, even cash to others for no reason other than brotherhood and friendship. After being on the receiving end of such generosity, and the costs it saves in purchases, it is certainly no hardship to contribute something to the maintenance of the forum which allows such community ties to be built in the first place. I'm not trying to say that RWG is the best, I'm just pointing out that the contribution fees are what allows the forum to be here for everyone on a stable and reliable basis