GenTLe

Fraggle, you're VERY lucky. But really, also the Zigmeister did an analysis on the "new improved etc etc" and again the problem was there. And if you look in the IWC page you'll se people with this problem all the time, unfortunately

I agree, and all closed caseback because if someone asks to see it then with a glass caseback you're fu__ed A good choice could also be the BlancPain Fifty Fathoms: only the real knowledged will get what it is and in the meantime is not "that obvious" like a Rolex

As wrote, 50$ more is insane for me. But let's say 10 or max 20 (for a 5 min check and guarantee that the movement isn't a crap one) would be ok for me

Yep Mike :-) 50$ more for a check on the movement version is insane, com'on... Or they can put let's say 20$ more and clearly state that the 1st point is quality, and only 2nd is timing. I'm one of those that will wait 1 week more to have a good one instead to have "next day crap" About the IWC: well, that's sad!

Dear TDs, just a couple of questions for you: 1) we all know the problems of the a7750 modded with secs @6 (many IWC / Rolex Daitona and probably some others I can't remember) and secs @12 (mainly Audemars Piguet). I don't know about the APs, but I'm sure there is a big potential market for the IWCs that is waiting to purchase them because of this problem (I'm one of them). Since the process of creating a top rep goes through the purchase of a gen to disassemble and analyze, why it looks so hard to copy the IWC module (just consider it's a module that goes over a standard 7750, not anything "fancy") and finally solve this sec @6 issue? There's a big potential market if only this problem gets finally solved... Instead I still see shouts like "New improved over improved, very best, 1:1, ultra modded a7750 29j" which is a proper lie, as even skeletonizing the sec @6 gears this movement is still very bad and stops after 1 week -> 1 month. 2) in another forum a recently acquired TD (which has good knowledge of the movements) has set a real QC procedure that, at least, is focused to check if a watch comes with the advertised movement (i.e. if it's paid for an ETA is must be an ETA, if it's paid for an A2836 it must be a proper A2836 and not one of these bloody clones of the clones AKA new breed asian high beat, also called "the troublemakers"). With current rep prices it's not a silly request from our side: we are not paying hundreds dollars or € just for the exterior look, we want to use our watches. We are ok that we need to service them, but definitively we (at least me) are not ok to get good looking watch and crappy movement inside when paid for a good movement. Again: I see a big market here for those sellers that can put in place a similar procedure (takes 5 min / watch if closed caseback, and 1 min in case of glass caseback). So, can you do this? In the end the time lost for QC goes back to you in terms of increase of customers! I said. GenTLe

Well, Toro told us that noob has real ETA and not kind of refurbished mixture... Why don't you give us a poof of concept? By the way, give a look to this site: http://www.discoverprohunter.com/collection/blue_gmt/ it's the very 1st time I'm getting STRONGLY attracted by a rollie...

Stay far away from the PerfectClone one... It has that bad "new breed high beat 2813" which is a crap.

Actually they MUST be the same: they've a synch mechanism added to a quartz watch = they're normal quartz watch with something more added Otherwise they couldn't work at all

Toro has it, but it's damn expensive and it comes with the rose gold bracelet (which I don't like)... Try to ask him it he can find it with the leather brown one (with red gold clasp) I'm just bothering him too much for other stuff, don't want to annoy him more than the necessary

Finally a name with a sense. Here between the 21j, the 2813, the dg2813, the 2813 new breed and the dg2813 high beat it in becoming a REAL mess!!! Any way I've seen in another thread that this clone of clone isn't interchangeable with eta or Asian eta: the rotor hole is bigger, the underneath parts different too, and looks like the hours hand is too lose :/:(

Look in the trusted dealer part of the forum, there are trusted dealers that, like Ken (Bergie), have clothes shops. And are NOT scammers Maybe your one is good too, but who knows...

Give a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock#List_of_radio_time_signal_stations I would be concerned anyway: I don't know if a watch that is able to synch with a 60 and 77.5 kHz (UK, Jap, US - Germany) can, for instance, synch also with a 5MHz antenna in Argentina. Anyway, I'm wearing now a radiocontrolled Analog+Digital Casio watch (my battle horse one) and I'm far from any antenna (I'm south of Naples for work) and it's working as a normal quartz watch. Same for my 2 weeks in Lagos (Nigeria) last January. (Not my wrist):

I would go for this (the rep should be as good as the gen. Good quartz but also analogic hands, and with the nylon strap it can fit over the flight suit too. BR03-88 Type Aviation (toro and Andrew have it):

Stunning movement!

Good one, JKay

Check it deeply Wooln. The Tudor BB V2 is one of the watches often sold with a new bad movement called "new breed asian clone of the clone". Look how to catch it here -> http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=79493

Please post some picture of them ;-)

Some of the new B&R: And I've seen also this one and found it WONDERFUL to me (but impossible to replicate): The propeller on the dial is connected to the rotor: when the rotor moves, the propeller moves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKlVQQvd01s

Doing the same here. Not to speed up anyway, but because I asked him to double check for the quality of what he's getting for me. I clearly told him that I'm not in hurry, but that I want good pieces and reliable movements Anyway, back to the subject:

You're right Smab, this is actually the reason I'm purchasing now from 2 sellers only, ToroBravo and Sead (Supermirrors), because they both looks a bit less of typical sellers and a bit more into the watches (especially Sead that, if I got it right, is also a modder; but also TB which is in the luxury chinese brands as well). They're definitively not cheap but if this means to be sure to have good mechanics and custom seizure protection then I'm ok. Maybe they could compensate the fact that they spend more time in the quality checks with the fact that they spend less time on their website (Sead even doesn't have one at all)... Don't know if this has any sense anyway. I'm simply interested only into dealers that respect their words (i.e. don't say "Yes I probably have that model" and then "Ops, it's not available anymore" after you paid - or "Yes I'll send you TimeGrapher QC picture" and then not sending them) and that provide good and reliable pieces. Back to your case: instead of sending back the watch, isn't possible to have only the correct calibre paying the shipping costs only? Well, providing the case, hands etc will fit in the new movement...

Hi automatico, unfortunately it's not that way. They're cheap clone of the clone... They look like an era clone, but they're much worse. Main problems with reliability, problems with crown stem and so on. one of the thing to check for them is that they use screws instead of clasps to keep the dial attached. There's a thread on them here too. Maybe in the scam area, don't remember.

To the OP TJGladeRaider: thanks for this post, I always wanted to get how the water proof quality of a watch is measured. I thought through some very sensitive manometer but definitivelly I didn't think about something that immediate like looking for bubbles (mainly because I didn't think about putting the watch in water AFTER putting pressure in the case, only way not to fill it with water if it's not properly waterproof) your're now stimulating my other hobby ("do-it-by-yourself") to see if I can build up a tool like that by my own I think the tricky part is the watch suspender mechanism, which should be pressure proof... The rest shouldn't be that complicated to build, using a simple bike pump (or my 50 liters belt compressor) as pumping engine. One question from my side: which kind of pressures a direct tap water stream can produce? I'm thinking about when I wash my hands in the sink, or taking a shower... I know that it can be quite a strong pressure but not imagining how much. Thanks again :-)

guys, i'm not getting why they "simply" (maybe it's not that simply to have these movements, don't know the situation) don't go for: 1) Sellita (which are actually Swiss ETA Clone, made in Switzerland for the open market and available) 2) Miyota:(Citizen Jap group, again very good movements, reliable and available for the open market). Maybe some factory claims they're ETA when they are Sellita: it would be NO problem for me if clearly stated. Sellita are great ETA-clone movements so there's no risk using them. We have gens like the AP Royal Oak 15400 that is beating at 21.6kBPH, but the super reps use the high beat movements: just wondering why they don't put a Miyota 821A in them: beautiful movement, reliable, cost wise and beating at gen's speed...

Cool!!! It is a gen, correct?

Hi Smab, you're right: http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=79493 The screws for the dial feet are a clear indicator Have you contacted the seller of the PO? And can you share with us who is him?