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That watch was VERY prominantly displayed on a movie I saw on Movies on Demand last nighy... "Lucky Number Sevlen" with Josh Harnett and Bruce Willis. I immediately thought of you. My next thought was " damn, I got to get that watch!!!"

man, your posts are the best!!!

I am sorry, but I do not agree. If you buy your watch from the dealer, your recourse is to the dealer and not his/her supplier. That means, is the dealers' responsiblity to ensure you get what you pay for. They should take the same care in choosing their suppliers that we take in choosing our dealers. It is just like having a general contractor do work on your home. If the GC sub-contracts the job, and it goes bad, your recourse is not to the sub-contractor it is to the GC. He is responsible, that is what you pay him for. Similar with the dealer. He is an intermediary who take a profit to facilate the sale between the supplier and you. It is his responsiblity to ensure the quality of the goods or make restitution, even if ithe problem is the result of the supplier not living up to the promise because he is the suppliers client. I know this is an oversimplification, but the bottom line to me is, before you agree to sell something to someone, you should make sure you are delivering on the promise. When you say something is 14K your putting YOUR word on the line, not someone elses. If you are not cofident it is 14K do not advertise it as such.

No, you are not being unreasonable and I do not blame you one bit. If it happened to me I would be absolutely livid.

well, if he gets to the right person, he may be able to cut a deal.. i have seen one other person do it... apparently this person sold them off of a sanitation truck to regular clients in an upscale neighborhood.. i... LOL ... he must have had a regular arrangement, i just happened to overhear him talking with the vendor, but i am not sure how one would go about making the arrangement.

well, you have to know where to look, most vendors keep 2 stashes.. one for the general public, and a better quality line for people who know how to ask. It helps to speak the langauge, especially if you are female. my g/f who is chinese american has very good success when she goes without me.. when she is with me, the vendors sometimes mistake me for an undercover officer, than she is shot. Another approach is to look for asian women who are just kind of standing around on a sidewalk and who look like they are on the prowl.. they may have brochures or other collateral with them.. and they are being discrete. If you find one, and they think you are safe, they will take you to the place they keep their stash. it is usually not a store front..sometimes it is in the back of a sweatshop, sometimes it can seem kind of scary because they are on back streets up alleys, but we have never had a problem. Bottom line, The quality of the 'secret stash' merchandise is much better than what you see in the typical store front

Great review. A word on the 21J.. I have a gen 5513 and to be honest, the hand sweep more closely resembles a 21J than it does an ETA movement. I also have a 21J on my Omega GMT/SMP... now don't get me wrong, I love my 5513, but quite honestly the omega keeps as good or better time. From my very limited experience the 21J is a great bargain.

EDIT: Please remove...posted in error.. man, i am really having a bad day.

i agree entirely... if you like the watch get it.. the issue regarding size of wrist is overblown

I am closest to the perspective you represent here. My most expensive rep is a PAM 029 2893 from EL, and like your 063 it went for 425 or 450 i cannot remember which (BTW the 063 was my first choice but i just missed the boat..don't leave it unattended around me!!) Seems like a lot of money until you realize that pre-owned 063's and 029 go for upwards of $6K. I would and am seriously considering datewheel, cyclopse, and crown mods.. i realize those will cost some bucks but it gets me very close to the gen which i really love. But it really has to be something special to go that far. I have a relatively high income as well, but I have other interests and priorities and frankly bills, and I need to maintain some kind of balance against those. (I can easily get carried away) Besides, my G/F totally doesn't get this although she is very patient with my indulgences. I guess if i was as skilled as Ubi or others here, I would probably feel differently. I can definetly see where you can get off totally crafting a franken watch project. That would be an expensive but fullfilling hobby.. It would be killer to be able to do that The only thing I will add, is as you know, it is not always strictly a case of choosing reps or gens.. you can have both .. still, the basic value proposition for having reps remains being able to have and wear a variety of high quality watches.

you can get a vintage no date sub in the price range if you can find one.

off the cuff (and i reserve the right to change my mind) and in no particular order Philadelphia Story Cool Hand Luke Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back Rocky 1 Caddyshack Red River Godfather 1 and 2 Annie Hall Manhattan shawshank Redemption On Golden Pond Young Frankenstein Blazing Saddles Sideways Pulp Fiction Sixth Sense Way of the Gun Life is Beautiful (although I do not think i have the fortiture to watch that again)

i have the same watch and feel simarlarly about it so i feel your pain.. good luck.

Another album worth giving a shot to is the Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris' "All the Roadrunning" Good stuff.

How was Jack Rabbit Slim???!!

awesome.. now if we can just find a crystal with the rite cyclopse!!!

I think what most bothered me about this particular production, was that is so fresh, and as a NYC resident, 9/11 hit so close to home. In an interview that aired prior to the mini-series, David Cunningham admited that many of the key scenes in the film were fictional and suggested the actors involved ad-libbed much of what i consider to be offending dialog. The film's writer suggested the same obliquely... i do not have the exact quote handy, but it was something to the effect thte objective was to express the persepctive of the people who created the plan to kill bin-laden and who felt betrayed about the plan being rejected. There are two problems with this approach.. 1. it assumes the plan was based on reliable intelligence, and 2. it assumes you know the identiity of the persons who rejected the plan. This is where the writer fails. Accoridng to the principles (and this is verified in the 9/11 report) it was George Tenet, Director of the CIA who decided NOT to recommend going forward with his own agencies plan... in other words, it was shot down before the president and his national security advisors could approve or disapprove it. The reason, speaks directly to the first issue.. Senior officials at the CIA were not comfortable about the reliabliity of the intelligence sources and kiboshed the plan when informaton could not be validated by more reliable sources. Somehow that never made it into the film either. This fact, along with the others I posted in previous posts is the reason so many were so against the release of this film.

I like richard's ide as well...i do not think necessarily think admn team needs to or should moderate moderate whatever guidlines we establish.. they should be self-regulating guildlines tp be used at the discretion of the buyer...rules of etiquette if you will but voluntary.... full disclosure at the time the sale is posted would also go along way. For instance if we established these guidelines, a seller might indicate in his post that RWG guildelines apply. If he or she wants to modify them, so be it.. just disclose how. Communication and tranparency will make for a better experience for everyone.

i agree. you would be doing the broader membership a favor.. i doubt anyone here wants to deal with unscrupulous people.

that is a great observation.. not sure it is actionable, but it is a great observation.

i saw that show.. imus is a favorite.. what a beautiful watch.

Look, I will agree with you that some members on this board go over the deep end with this dealer= rock star stuff.. sometimes the posts deifying dealers make me physically wretch .... i hear ya on that..., but being totally objective by and large, the regular dealers who participate on this site, the big guys, do a nice job. They are client focused and trade in high quailty products. That being the case, some of the buyer interaction, threats, and actions taken as described by eddie are way unacceptable. there is just no defending those actions. I am not a dealer kiss-up by any means, i try always to be fair and objective, but I will tell you that IMHO EL's approach to dealing with a buyer who just initiated a chage back (this post) was gentlemenly compared to the way I would have reacted...

are you serious?

wow. we are defintely going to have to agree to disagree about this one...Bear in mind the mission statement quoted was not created by me.. it is created by TFI... read it again... "To OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM..." this is an acknowledgment that the desired content is not WITHIN the mainstream..this is not based on holywood's definition of what is mainstream it is based on TFI's definition. TFI is a propaganda machine wholy dedicated to the christian right and right wing causes. the parent organization may have done charitable work.. lots of politicaly oriented groups do good work... for that matter so does Hezbolah, not that I am equating the too. The point is that thier good works do not detract motivations.. they want to reshape current thought and historical fact. And David Horowitz is off the charts in terms of promoting right wing agenda Let me say this again... this film was classifed by its makers as a docu DRAMA which gave the producers literaly license to introduce fictional scenes and accounts. If Nowrasteh was as concerned about getting the true story out as he says he was, he would have written a documentary, pure and simple. His assertions are pure BS. Before the film was aired, all you heard from the producer was a recognition on how license was taken during the writing and production of the film as part of the creative process and for pure entertainment value. He blamed the inaccuracies on the actors ad-libbing. Also pure BS. Now once the film is released the story changes, now it is a true account. Please. It has been well substantiated that several of the scenes in the film, scenes I mentioned in my last post, NEVER HAPPENED, including the administrations quashing or plans to take out bin laden, and the portions that portrayed Berger and Albright's council and decision making within the constuct of political considerations rather than tactical ones. Read the 9/11 commission report. Listen to the people who are pushing back. Kean, Hamiltion, Bennett, Fund.. these are not people who are friendly to Bill Clinton. Yesterday Keith Olberman interviewed Paul Kurtz former director of counter terrorism for both the Clinton and Bush administrations. Somehow, Olberman was able to get his hands on a cover memo written by Richard Clarke and addressed to C. Rice on which referenced a comprehensive strategy to contain and remove al-qida as a threat to national security that was developed during the Clinton Admin. The date of the memo was January, and it was marked urgent. It was not reviewed until late August and an action commitee was not commissoned until September. Why? Because the Bush administrations' national security priorites were focused on missle defence and state sponsored terroism.. and al qida did not fit the mold. Was that mentioned in the film? In fact, they downgraded Clarke from a cabinet level to a deputy cabinet level post, eliminating any chance of his getting direct access to Rice and or Bush... instead his initiativies had to first be vetted with deputy undersecrataries.. and other bueracrats and layers ... who did not meet on a regular basis and who did no... I guess I missed that scene too. Kurtz was actually kind to the bushies... he indicated that he did not think they were blowing off Clarke, or didn't think the al qida strategy was important, but they were focused on the wrong priorites.. i.e. missle defense. If you do not think this is the case, I would invite you to review Bush's first post-inaguration address in January of 2001 where he clearly lays that out. But what i find most outragous about the film were failures on the part of the writer and producer to interview the principles... albright, berger, tenet, etc... i mean it is one thing to write a docudrama about events long past in history involving people long since dead.. but these people are alive. I am sorry but this was a shamefull and transparent attempt to re-write history.

I agree with much of this although I am not sure corruption is the overriding issue here.. it is the lack of new ideas. The fact is the two party system is failing us... as my favorire comic, Louis Black is prone to say " The Republicans are a party of bad ideas, and the democrats are a party of NO ideas" These people spend half their elected terms or more just trying to get re-elected... at the expense of doing the people's business , and once they are elected they are almost impossible to unseat..They have too much money and party support. And the public is equally to blame.. People do not want to invest the time to understand the issues and to get the facts.. they want it spoon fed to them. Give it to us in 30 second sound bites. That is why phrases like "Stay the Course"... "You're either with us or against us" "Don't want to play the name-game" are used so often.. it is why Karl Rove is so powerfull.. they are catchy phrases that stay with people... 4 years after 9/11 and a significant percentage of americans STILL think saddam was in some way behind the attack.. i find it embarrassing.