EuroTimez

Oiey Joy... Yachtmaster.... can I play too? How does this one look like .... what you think guys & By-Tor? This one is fairly unknown to the forum members.... who can tell what version it is?

Thanks guys and whitestripes... sorry got back to you so late... I got kind of a nasty cold which is draining me (coughing all day long very bugging).... so I didn't had much time other than replying to my customers and preparing some orders and posting some pictures for clients... as they're awaiting their orders... I asked my contacts in China to source a few, and we have some stock at my supplier right now but just need to make some pics... so coming soon. Sorry once again to keep you all waiting.

GOT THE UPGRADED VERSION, CLICK HERE.... thanks to your help taka

Hi P4GTR, Thanks for refering me to this thread, I'll try to help with whatever I can, more as a member than a dealer. First off I'm not an SMP expert (more a rolex guy...yea yea I know I know... flame me) so all would have to help chime in... I can "try" to source that watch and make pictures for you, perhaps even take off the bezel, make pictures of the movement. (note "TRY" as I'm quite busy a the moment and my contact in China are working full-time to get / QC / ship orders) Give me some specs what to look out for... as I believe they have different varriations to this one and I want to source the best one available. With other words Educate me a bit, I'm always open to learning some more Can somebody list in clear language --not Omega kinda language, but just simple stuff that even a dummy like me can understand-- what you guys want to know and how to find that out. Personally it is quite hard nowadays to get with GEN ETA, sometimes I get them only with COPY-ETA (with ease) and need to re-install a genuine ETA which make take a week --lately it's been taking about that time--

Beautiful pics Capice (as usually) the first one / last one looks like a real catalog picture.... you make it looks soo good. What camera you use...? Did you use photoshop? really cool! By-Tor yours is already ordered trying to score an extra strap for you rgds Chris

Thanks Taka, I'm not a panarai Expert, these pictures were actually for the client to see if it was the upgraded version it is prior to shipping --with other words no problems because it's not yet left the Source--- Since my client didn't given me the complete details what was the difference...between old and new... I guess we both didn't know... But I do know NOW and this means I have to source him the upgraded one with the help of your beautiful review. I'm only glad that and wish I was pointed or find this thread earlier. Tks again, I'm here also to learn, i'm more a rolex expert... But can source basically any watch. EDIT 5 AUG: GOT THE UPGRADED VERSION in SS, click here for tons of pics... altho I like Taka pics too, this one is with SS version.. Regards Chris

Hi Mimimars, For starters, the SWISS ETA 7750 (also named SWISS ETA VALJOUX 7750) is what the original breitling is based on... What do I mean when I say "based" on... I mean that they (breitling) buy their movements in from ETA (they don't make it themselves), then what they do (just like tag-heuer,omega, tudor, and many other swiss brands) they either finish the movement --engrave it, decorate it etc, and/or they swap some parts of the ETA movement with their higher quality parts. But the "base" is still the same. So if you have the dough, go for Swiss 7750, it is the top of the top... Downside it is very expensive and hardly available... I don't have them. The Asian 7750-2 (you got generally 2 versions that are mainly used, A7750-1 (21.6k bph) and A7750-2 (28.8k bph) ) it is generally a good movement just beware that it is best when QC because most of the times the problems show at the beginning, so testing all functions prior to shipping is a big big plus as alot of members received DOA (dead on arrival) and that is just no fun... A7750-2 is at a much lower price and it comes close to the SWISS 7750 (as it is a copy of the ETA SWISS 7750) only needs some servicing then according to The Zigmeister (highly respected Watchsmith here on the forum and out of the forum ---because he's soooo good in what he does) it is just as good as a Swiss ETA 7750. Or what you can also do is, buy your rep readily available with A7750-2 (new asia 7750 it is also called) and then buy elsewhere a genuine Swiss ETA 7750 and swap it prices are around 400-600 usd for movement ONLY. TAKASHI (great guy, find him on RWI or here on RWG) made a guide on RWI (another great rep forum, like a daugher/sister forum of this one) how to swap it ---which I recommend you don't do if your a newbie --- I can't do it either ---, but use that guide for your watchmaker). Hope this helps... If you need help getting you an fully inspected EVO, you can always drop me a line.

Hi, Best would be to either service the movement, or just contact me then I'll give you a DG2813 (21.6k) for free or else you can purchase a DG4813 (28.8k) replacement movement for only 25 usd. I have the DG4813 already in stock in EU.

I Hope for a speedy recovery Rob.

Nice tribal, very nice... learned alot from the comments thanks guys for sharing

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Soon guys soon already being manufactured as I type, but have to await the factory....

@Noel, you knowningly bought a watch with problem movement, e-mailed you prior to buying it about it or something like that. You decided to buy it nonetheless, watch was opened and tested by our watchmaker before shipping (as seals get greased etc).... Watch arrived in working state, however it died after a couple weeks --- which is known for the daytona @ 6 to have a movement which can go for years but could also break within weeks (which again you knew about) --- Then after watch being worn, and used for weeks you want to have a replacement? then you say that the "wheels inside a movement are bent ---according to your watchmaker--- I'm sorry about that... but the watch movement, anybody correct me if I'm wrong, but if even one wheel was bent (since everthing is connected and working together inside the movement) ! --starters it would have been seen by our watchmaker and even if it got missed, then again the movement won't be running and fully functioning BEFORE shipment as we inspect that, and after you RECEIVED it... I mean has anyone had a problem with a "bent" wheel, I find it very strange. Sorry but your story is too dubious for me... I told you what I said above, and you were like oh eh.... my watchmaker I thought was reliable... Then You agreed to the statement I made above ---that what your watchmaker said didn't make much sense after all--- so you requested a discount which I didn't need to... but out of curtisy I agreed. Read my policies... I can't say it often enough. I won't guarantee movements, time-keeping, reliablity now or in the future, esp asian movements or known movement that brake down... Quality Control --what to expect and what NOT to expect. To ensure that you receive what you’ve ordered in a top notch state our High Quality Control includes but not limited to: Checking for crooked markers Checking the lume Checking the pearl if it is acceptable Checking the overall quality Checking the bracelet / clasp Checking if the movement is exactly as ordered/advertised (New ETA for instance and not a copy/second grade ETA) Checking if all functions work like it normally would (we do not however check if the watch keeps good time) Checking the bezel Checking the dial (no dust, dirt) Check the date and days if applicable (1-31) Check if all screws can unscrew In addition we add value to your watch by; Adding silicon grease to gaskets crowns for extra water-resistance Adjusting the glass if needed (like rolex submariner glass usually needs to get reinstalled due to the date mag not sitting exactly over the date) Adjusting the crown if it doesn’t open/close well (common flaw) Align the date when possible. When necessary we will reinstall the hands on a ETA/Asian movement so when the time hits 24.00 the date changes neatly in one go. What not to expect; Some things are almost impossible to do within reasonable cost / time effectiveness which is why we don’t: [*]regulate the movements because it’s very time consuming and expensive (unless customer wants to pay at additional cost for this service) [*]guarantee the the timing of the watch [*]guarantee it is within COSC specs. [*]guarantee the movement life-span, reliability, upon arrival or in the future. [*]We’re dealing with reps and some of the Asian movements tend to be less reliable than the Swiss or gen. counterpart. [*]We don’t oil, wax and grease your bracelet. To read more about Quality Control: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?act=fi...&pid=438734 Although we generally make sure your watch is without cosmetic flaws and functions the way its intended, we cannot however make a rep like a genuine, there are some facets you must accept when purchasing a replica. Not one replica is 100% perfect and sometimes you must live with a certain flaw or else get it professionally modded. Just because we perform a High Quality Control on your watch doesn’t mean we can make it more like Genuine. We fine-tune the rep to “perfect like state”, “perfect” in the sense that it comes the way it “should/suppose” to. (for instance a rolex replica shouldn’t come with glass that is crooked, wrong DW, or lume that is off and function the way it suppose to). However there are standard flaws that come with the purchase of a rep. There are some things that we do that can help to ensure top notch quality yet there is however a fine balance of things that we cannot / will not do. ---------- I'm not on a honeymoon, I'm actually having some new watches released soon...(hopefully tomorrow), making special deals with supplier, updating my website, writing back to customers, taking orders, shipping watches, doing QC, and living my life OUTSIDE of the forum... YES I have a life outside of the forum. Hope this clears things up... Chris

I understand and I'm sorry the package got stolen.... What I don't understand however is..., why you need to get "very angry". As I'm replacing your watch on my cost.... which I actually don't need to do --read my policies--- ! I informed you about this....and that all I ask for is shipping cost... Please read my policies which states cleary on my WEBSITE and in my RWG section...... which you decided not to quote.... The reason why I don't insure Registered airmail it is a pain to track --will take ages--, it is a pain to get insurance back, I cannot know for sure if the customer didn't take the watch and said never arrived / lost / stolen... at least with EMS it is online and can be fast-back-tracked where it went wrong. This is my policies and it wasn't a secret as it is posted very clearly. CUSTOMS and LOST PARCELS --- click here Customs and Lost Parcels; We guarantee all shipments that are sent by: - EMS (+$25) - Shipped from within Europe (+$25) We DON'T guarantee shipments that are sent by: - Registered Airmail shipped from Asia to Worldwide (Free) Conditions: 1) When there is significant proof that a Package has been seized by customs/stolen/lost in transaction we will send a replacement. 2) We reserve the right to decline a replacement. (i.e Fraude). 3) We will not be responsible if a replacement shipment gets seized/stolen/lost for the second time. We assume responsibility if the first shipment (every new order) get seized/stolen/lost if applicable as in

@ Avittt..... I don't dropship! Please read before posting... I'm located in Thailand, so why would I need to dropship, watches from thailand pass thru my hands. I also post from within EU.... ON REQUEST of the buyer.... the buyer didn't choose this option and went ahead with the free registered shipping.

Hi Kelster, Just want to make sure that what I posted a while ago is still valid... Can you confirm what what I posted in my section "how to differtiate between copy vs GEN ETA" if the big gears on your COPY ETA is... 1. BIG SILVER GEAR is POLISHED --- looks like it from your picture.. ? 2. THE SMALLER YELLOW GEAR has less holes as the gen ? 3. The half-polished small silver gear ? Click link HERE to original thread...

Hej Frank, Pm me later, I got ETA hands for you "noobversion submariner hands"...

Yes Takashi, Can get DG 4813 as spare movement at only + 25 usd when purchased with a watch.

Just to add to this thread.... I ALSO HAVE about 100x DG4813 movements which will fit the NOOBMARINER/YACHTMASTER, to state it correctly it is an 22 jewel movement at 28.8k. It is different than the Offrei ones that will cause problems. At 30 usd incl pp fees, shipped!!! YES I GUARANTEE THAT IN YOUR WATCH = GEN NEW ETA... All watches are opened and MARKED! If the watch cannot be had with GEN ETA movement then customer will be informed, its that simple. yes, you got basterized movements (half copy, half real ETA or refurbished movements, rusty, etc) and you got 100% COPY ETA in the repworld, as a dealer you can order for most watches all three of these movements (COPY / Second GRADE / NEW GEN ETA ) to your choice --needless to say the lesser 2 quality is much cheaper from the factory---. The most expensive one is GEN NEW ETA and they're available their just quite expensive buy, so almost all dealers ("all" as in also onboard/offboard dealers/resellers unknown to the forum) switched over to COPY or Refurbished stuff... for reasons Highoez... mentioned The refurbished stuff (second grade) can be good but can be bad too, sometimes it 100% ETA but then from old stock, sometimes it's rusty, sometimes its half-copy half gen, etc.... risky, hit and miss kind of a thing so I just stick to GEN NEW ETA movements for my higher end client needs.

Check out MBW MBK dials here, some dials are made for GEN MOVEMENT, so I would like to assume if MBK MBW makes it for gen movement that the gen movement would fit in his CASE.... Wouldn't make sense to make some MBK MBW dials that fit the gen movement (dial feet are positioned like gen rolex movement), but that the gen-rolex-movement which goes hand in hand with the MBK MBW dial doesn't fit in the MBW MBK case. They are also signed with the famous "SINGER" signature on the back... Check out a few MBK MBW Dials below (front and back), also on my website I captured the other dials but then its inside the case. Take a look CLICK HERE

QUOTE (bklm1234 @ Jun 25 2008, 01:41 AM) * I don't feel the M serial MBW/MBK has the same rehaut and crystal construction as the wm9 sub. They just look different. What By-Tor highlights is exactly what I mean. I don't see that on the M serial sub (Chris' sub). -bk I think I have to agree with Tribal. I strongly believe that the WM9 and MBK case ARE the Same. Maybe it just the shots that doesn't come out the same as WM9 pictures, but when looking at the real deal the rehaut thickness is what I think the same IMHO (but I'm no rehaut thickness expert ) And "If you knew, what I know" in regards to the orgins of the watch that MBK MBW personally shared with me in private, there won't be a doubt that "the case etc" comes from the same factory. Cheers

Thanks for the Tip and Trick, maybe could be interesting mod that I could do for some members who don't want to wait for the NON-ENGRAVED version which is still in the making (ordered has already been placed just awaiting the factory)... Nice pics and thanks for taking the time to make a video Don't forget when you put a gen crystal on, to PM me so I can take a look Wear it in good health.

Nice Frank, very nice.... May I ask you what you used for on your dremel, I also have a dremel a complete set with lots of stuff to put on the dremel, which one did you use? You got a picture of it? yes there is a noobdial and noobhands, noobdatewheel overlay in this case. Wear it well! Can't wait to see the pics with gen-crystal, how it compares... Chris

Heard from MBK MBW about the 5513 it might take longer than expected, MBK MBW is depending on the factory to do a good job, unfortunatly this isn't always the case as we all know.... Something in that direction he told me when I spoke to him yesterday. I would also say the 5512 is the best at the moment.