colorao Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Hi I read the nice post of Rolli, and I want put a little more of light about this marvellous model 229, so difficult to see. A little of History At the first time you can bought Pam 781 Set Firenze (3 watches) they are the Firenze Specials PAM224, PAM228 & PAM229 Gens ( picture of Paneristi ) After you can buy alone the different models 224, 228, 229 All this model have blue dials and their caseback the firenze boutique door. Dial Anyone is ok, the gen dial is a mix Dsn vs Ultimate Caseback The Dsn caseback is better no coments and the Ultimate caseback it�s more closer but has some stupids wrong spellin like Paneria intead of Panerai and the wrong small watches For me the best is a 229 Ultimate and change the crown Pictures: Dsn vs Ultimate Dsn Ultimate Gen Dsn, Gen, Ultimate Dsn, Gen, Ultimate Gen, Dsn, Ultimate Dsn, gen Dsn , Ultimate Gen, Ultimate I hope you enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheaton26 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 very cool to be able to see them all side by side. the dates on the new ultimates are amazing. my brother has the gen and ultimate 220. i haven't seen them together yet in person but he sent me this picture of the ultimate ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Blimey what a trio you have there, thats awesome to see them all like that............ WOW Thanks for putting the comparison together. ST4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kollektor Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Blimey what a trio you have there, thats awesome to see them all like that............ WOW Thanks for putting the comparison together. ST4 Fantastic post. You just made up my mind about which I'd be going with. Best comparison I've seen on these models. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capice Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 +1.. excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Brilliant comparison! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanya Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Excellent post. No doubt to me that the Ultimate edges out DSN on the date(by a very very wide no contest margin) crown, Crown Guard. I have decided for my next project to emulate Rolli's 229 project and try to have Rex do as many of the same mods as my budget will allow. Going to substitute the LH CG for the V because of costs (they are however identical) already have a couple T crowns but I hope to find a palp auto instead and Rex or Vac will do the relume, and of course a gen Eta valjoux 7750 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorao Posted July 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Thanks !!!! I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 Awesome comparison. I really like this model and you have shown the path to the right formula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l3x Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Excellent thread. Love these side by side comparison threads. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxMan Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Great comparison! Question--the Ultimate dial seems to have more of a "purple" dial than the Gen or DSN. This has been mentioned/photographed in other threads. Is this true with yours? What do you think. Regardless of dial color, to me--it's sort of a draw between the two reps... DSN has a better dial ("6" is better, markers better, "L Swiss L" is placed better, and color more accurate), better hands, more accurate CB, and Superlume... Ultimate has better CG, Crown, Cyclops and Font... So, the question becomes--what can you live with? What mods would you do most easily? Again, thx--looking forward to your response on dial color. RSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxMan Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Here's the color disparity I'm talking about, where the DSN and Gen have the same/similar color dial--but the Ultimate is more "purplish" for some reason... (all shots appear taken with direct light, to show dial color/texture...) Genuine (recently listed/sold on Paneristi) DSN (mine) "Ultimate" (forum member's) This color issue has been well-documented... To me, it's sort of a deal-breaker. Also, note the "L Swiss Made L" placement on the DSN and Gen versus the Ultimate. As a result, I bought the DSN. Here's my DSN--photo is taken under a "tent"--the result makes the dial look more "blue" and flat. The thing that's interesting is DSN appears to have updated his date font recently. This one appears to be larger and more bold than his previous versions... (having owned a number of them... including 2 DSN 104's and his 089...) Anyway, you be the judge: RSM Edited July 15, 2009 by RedSoxMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 you all did forget to mention, davidsens movement in all his auto pams is the old 7750b1 and no way to change with a gen swiss valjoux 7750. the 7750b1 has a taller measurement than the swiss 7750. different is the cartel ultimate 229. the inner case measurement is perfect made for a swap with a gen swiss valjoux 7750. my watchmaker did this modification for me. rolli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanya Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Regardless I need one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betenoir Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Great post. My old DSN 229 is looking less and less perfect.... Does anyone else notice that the second hands on both the Ultimate and DSN are slightly off from the gen? It varies from picture to picture but both reps' second hand seeming slightly thicker? and longer? Thanks again for the side by side by side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorao Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) Sorry by my delayed answers but I�m so busy these days, but if you have new question I�m happy to help you. Ok !!! the colour of dial , like I told before, I think is is mix DSN and Ultimate , look this new picture and you see that Ultimate dial is purple but no so purple I think the principal diferences are: 1- The colour of dial but � how many people has 229 original ? only 100 in the world I think a good option is ultimate 2- Other diference is the number in gen are like yellow-greenish by the lumen, and the replic are white ( looks pictures ) 3- And other important diference is the Crown in Ultimate is more high but you can change ( looks pictures ) Gen with blue coco strap, and Ultimate with light brown Toscana GEN Ultimate Cartel GEN Ultimate Cartel GEN Ultimate Cartel I hope help you Edited November 15, 2010 by colorao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 in the majority of cases camera shots distort the blue. i would say the purple color on the ultimate 229 dial is very very small and not mentionable. for me it's a very unique blue. the davidsen 229 blue is more a boring blue. that's why my vote was very clear for the ultimate 229 blue. see my 229 topic. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=99371&hl btw. the gen was produced only with 33 pieces as single box. rolli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sssurfer Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Exceptional review/comparison & info here, thanks colorao! It's me, or the Ultimate CG is remarkably different from gen, with a very thinner upper trail (i.e., CG lever placed more upwards)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorao Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Exceptional review/comparison & info here, thanks colorao! It's me, or the Ultimate CG is remarkably different from gen, with a very thinner upper trail (i.e., CG lever placed more upwards)? Yes It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillininla Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Great comparison! And nice watch collection! I know you mentioned this a little earlier, but How does the DSN lume color compare to the Gen? I know DNS's lume is usually too green, how is it on this watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drulee Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 In a related note, I just purchased and received a DSN 228 GMT. It was suppose to have the same coloured dial as the 229, and his PhotoBucket pictures along with the "latest" pics that he sent me showed the blue GMT dial. However, I received the watch and it had a hideous and shiny purple dial (no hint of blue) that is worse than the cartel's. He's said that this is the dial for this model from now on, so I don't know how long it will be until his 229 turns purple. EDIT: DSN is sending a replacement dial for the 228 GMT, that he says is definitely blue, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb666 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 hi, where can i buy this modell from panerai pam 229 blue firenze ltd.? and how much cost the watch. shipping only via uk. because i am living in germany.... there is the customs duty very strict !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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