Piestar Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I like detail Some watches are 7000 dollar The JL power reserve day date tourbillon is 1200 dollars and it's nice What other complicated reps cut the mustard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfreeman420 Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 That watch is sold for around half price elsewhere. That tourbillon movement is used in other reps like Breguet as well. As far as complications go you can find many inexpensive reps with many complications. Vacheron Constantin calendar, Patek Phillippe sky moon and others. Check the rusted dealers here and stay away from the replicahause. BTW, can you show me this $7,000 dollar watch? Is it a replica you are talking about? I assume it is because you don't get a genuine watch with many complications for $7k. I gotta see what a $7,000 replica looks like. It better be better than a $5.00 milkshake for $7k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 +1 Wanna see too! Always find I spill my milkshake when I see what the time is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kollektor Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 most complicated I've seen is the Muller Casablanca with complications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I would be tempted to say the bretling blackbird, or bently 6.75 complication include Big date running seconds @ 3 moved from 9 min totalizator moved from 12 to 9 chronograph but from Kollector above If this is a true moon phase then i will concede, bit if it is just a rotating disk then i still say the BBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrippa Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I thought the Longines Master "Eight Needles" was the most complicated rep, with its minutes, hours, day, date, month, chronograph and working moon phase. Quite a good replication too it seems, when comparing with the genuine article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Good point there day month date monephase ( but i dont thing it will be adjustable for the actual moon phase, but is the gen?) chrono and is that GMT or second time zone on the 9 subdial! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrippa Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Perfect Clones say 24h indicator at 9 and also that it has a working moon phase, so presumably it is adjustable. I've not got the watch, so I can't say for sure of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demsey Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Rolex Daytona 116250 running seconds @ 6. So complicated it confounds itself. A mastery of Asian ingenuity and barnyard engineering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 good one Dems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 On the fun front I appreciate the FM Vegas with it's roulette wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I would be tempted to say the bretling blackbird, or bently 6.75 complication include Big date running seconds @ 3 moved from 9 min totalizator moved from 12 to 9 chronograph but from Kollector above If this is a true moon phase then i will concede, bit if it is just a rotating disk then i still say the BBB These lemania copys have true moonhpase, which mechanism used i don't know. Atleast its not day/night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarin.72 Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Breitling Datora has the same complications except the moonphase,so i will also add this one to the list as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mike Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Rolex Daytona 116250 running seconds @ 6. So complicated it confounds itself. A mastery of Asian ingenuity and barnyard engineering. Barnyard engineering! That made my day! Thanks Dems! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatchaman Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 This one is $7280. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thogaa Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 This one is $7280. That's like nothing compared to the $888,888.00 Day-Date http://www.perfect-hour.com/0144-p-8019.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpy540 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 It figures that i have three of these on my must have lists. How many have owned these and had them self destruct? I have heard that they cannot be turned backewards to set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I think there are no true mechanical moonphase complications available in the replicas offered...most likely they are day/night indicators masceraded as mo0nphases......when having a smiling sun on one side its just diqusting....shame on you:cry2: correct me if I am wrong The granulator:bleh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narikaa Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) Well there are some out there Though not truuuuely moonphase but a celestial wheel on a 31 day revolution however within the realms of the accuracy with which you're going to set it, tis near enough Edited December 16, 2009 by narikaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demsey Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I think there are no true mechanical moonphase complications available in the replicas offered...most likely they are day/night indicators masceraded as mo0nphases......when having a smiling sun on one side its just diqusting....shame on you:cry2: correct me if I am wrong The granulator:bleh: You're right Gunnar. The Lemania/Venus/Seagull bi-compax chrono movements are true corruptions when they are fitted with the 24hr module. None of those calibres ever hosted a 'third' subdial register, for any reason. It's a lark of 'replica'. A 24hr hand does not a Moon phase make. It's obvious why the factories build 6263's and other faux tri-compax with the 'animated' hour subdail totalisors; they thought we would prefer 'something' going on down there. In hind sight, no, a 'frozen' hour totalisor and a uncorrupted Seagull bi-compax is preferable. I wonder why they don't build them like that? Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 This one is $7280. If I'm not mistaken, most people here have a hard time to have theire reps serviced. They are shipped all over the world to get it done. Where can you find a watchmaker who can and will service it and how will you shipp it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) You're right Gunnar. The Lemania/Venus/Seagull bi-compax chrono movements are true corruptions when they are fitted with the 24hr module. None of those calibres ever hosted a 'third' subdial register, for any reason. It's a lark of 'replica'. A 24hr hand does not a Moon phase make. It's obvious why the factories build 6263's and other faux tri-compax with the 'animated' hour subdail totalisors; they thought we would prefer 'something' going on down there. In hind sight, no, a 'frozen' hour totalisor and a uncorrupted Seagull bi-compax is preferable. I wonder why they don't build them like that? Now. VENUS 175 (as we all know ther are no Lemanias around just plain mania....strange that that erroneously named "LEMANIA" still persists in the commuity and with the dealers) http://img181.images...us175156eu2.gif Seagull ST1901 Movement = Venus 175 = The handwound and nicely working chronograph found in som very nice replicas First the basic data of the ST19 movement: Made by Tianjin Seagull Watch (Group) Ltd. Co. - in Chinese: 天津海鸥手表（集团）有限公司 (The worlds largest manufatcurer of mechanical watch movements) Link to the movement division: http://www.tjseagull.com/default.asp (Chinese only, with a few English subtitles) Movement production in: Tianjin, Tianjin Municipality, P.R. China Shenzhen, Guangdong Province, P.R. China Column wheel chronograph movement Data for the ST1901 variant: 2 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 Handwound Diameter 31.3 mm 21600bph Factory acceptance values: Daily rate +30 to -10 sec/day Power reserve 38 +/-2 hours Actual observed values in "real life watches": Accuracy +15 to +5 sec/day (fits into the statistical expected range) with some samples keeping exceptionally good time at +2 to +5 Power reserve 36 to 50(!) hours. The reason for this is that the mainspring basically can deliver a power reseve of 50+ hours, but to reach this a perfectly assembled and lubricated movement is necessary. In Chinese serial production this can not be guaranteed. Seagull does not bother with offering "higher grade" movements receiving special treatment during assembly. Would they do so, these might certainly run at C.O.S.C. chronometer standards with the power reserve in the above mentioned range. Short history: The ST1901 movement is nearly identical to the Venus 175 - parts are interchangeable. But the movement is not a copy or clone. It actually is the Venus 175, because Seagull has purchased the tooling from Venus in the early 1960ies. Seagull did copy the tooling to be able to produce at 2 locations. Differences or improvements to the Venus 175 are the increased beat (the Venus only had 18000 bph) and an added incabloc style shock absorber. Another friendly place to discuss watches: http://www.tz-uk.com...pic.php?t=33408 Edited December 16, 2009 by Gran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 more about this VENUS movement in our replica (remember its not LEMANIA): Original size can be found here: http://www.tjseagull.com/wkt/1901.jpg The movement comes in 6 variants: ST1901 2 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 (Ex Venus 175 - parts compatible, Venus parts can be used for repair) ST1902 3 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 12 h register at 6 (non chrono!), The 12h register's hand is directly geared to the main hour hand - bloody useless. See the pictures of the "Schaferwatches" 3-register chrono, the 12h in the register is always in the same position as the main hour hand. ST1903 3 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 24 h register at 6 (non chrono again), The 24h indicator is directly synchronized with main hour hand, either used as 24h indicator or with the hand replaced by a day/night disk as a faux moon phase - day night indicator. New variants 2007 ST1905 2 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 decentral power reserve at 4:30 (Plazeon chronos) ST1907 2 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 central power reserve indicator ST1908 4 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 date at 12 day/night window at 6 No info about the "missing" denominations ST1904 and ST 1906. Seagull is developing or considering: A true 3-register chrono with a 12h chronograph counter at 6, prototypes have been built, this might be one of the missing denominations. A GMT variant of the ST1903, where the 24h register can be set independently - only in consideration. The addon of an automatic winding mechanism to this movement (allegedly prototype status). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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