chefcook Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Hello everybody, most of you've allready heard that the availability of ETA movements is more and more difficult. ETA decided to only deliver to customers within the Swatch group from afaik 2011 on and independant customers can't get more movements than in the year before since about 2008. In succession of ETA's decision even "big ones" (for example Tudor!!) are now getting their movements from Sellita, a swiss movement manufacturer that produces very high quality copies of ETA movements with expired patents. Sellita's movments indeed are at least as good as ETAs. Up to date Sellita offers copies of the ETA 2824 (SW200), 2836 (SW220), 2834 (SW240), 2892 (SW300) and 7750 (SW500) and allready anounced that they plan to widen their range of classic ETAs. And now look what movement is in the new Patek Aquanaut rep: A Sellita SW200!!! Same movment as in some gen Tudors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneki Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Will there be price differences compared to Swiss ETA's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I want Sellita to make a 2893-2 GMT movement. That would rock the world as far as rep GMTs go!!! Do you have confirmed info that the SW500 is out? I was under the impression that this hasn't been made yet...but that was from an older article...haven't found newer news!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I want Sellita to make a 2893-2 GMT movement. That would rock the world as far as rep GMTs go!!! Isn't a 2893 just a 2892 with a GMT plate on it? If so, it's not a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerian Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Very interesting information! Thanks very much. Gotta find out where they are... Val. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Isn't a 2893 just a 2892 with a GMT plate on it? If so, it's not a stretch. I think so...it's just that I can't get a 2893-2 new from my suppliers here. They have them in their catalogues but can't source them. They can get 2892's...but no GMT varieties. So, even though this thing exists now in ETA form...they can't seem to be had outside of buying a Steinhart or Defaubre donor watch with one in it. If somebody came up with something more solid than the cheap mod done on the 2836's like a Sellita copy...I would think it would make an awesome upgraded movement option!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I have registered as a business with selitas and the prices are good if you want 1000, lol at a time with out tax they come in about CH60 (€40 ish)each if you want 500 to 999 if you just want 1 then it is ch90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneki Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 1000 at a time, something for the chinese manufacturers. What are the prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 BaselWorld 2010: Sellita SW500 Chronograph Movement http://blog.perpetuelle.com/index.php/watch-news/baselworld-2010-sellita-sw500-chronograph-movement/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 see above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member X Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I believe that Bell & Ross have the SW200 in one of their models - the BR02 I think? I can't remember now, and it's not widely advertised. Are they all that cheap, Andy? Are B&R putting a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Of cause the are that is how they make money, look at the breitling cal 17, it is a chonometre grade 2824, cost in bulk less then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Are they all that cheap, Andy? Are B&R putting a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member X Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Yeah, I did think that was the case - although what's to stop a company buying the complete movements and disassembling them to return them to ebauches? lol re: the B&R movements, I'm even less impressed with their pricing policy now... They either use ETA 28xx movements or the Sellilta, and as they're probably both about that price range in bluk, I have even less intention of shelling out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 However, lest we forget, ETA aren't stopping selling movements, they're stopping selling ebauches. Big difference. That's right...good point...they are still selling complete movement kits...that just makes them less price friendly. BTW...thanks Gran for the heads up on the SW500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 re: the B&R movements, I'm even less impressed with their pricing policy now... They either use ETA 28xx movements or the Sellilta, and as they're probably both about that price range in bluk, I have even less intention of shelling out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Some info that may be usefull Sw500 (eta 7750) centre seconds 0.25 min hand 1.20 hour hand 2.00 subdials 0.18 same as the 7750 i would say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 same as the 7750 i would say Sellita is making them as drop-in replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackR Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 i just sold a B&R 02 rep here...it was bought thru perfect clones with a $50usd swiss movement upgrade... it came with the SW200 movement...here's my sale thread: Movement: Engraved Rotor, Decorated Swiss Sellita SW200 26j 28800bph* • The Sellita SW200 is built to 2824-2 spec. • Movement review/discussion: WUS SW200, eta 2824 discussion • Movement manufacturer specs: Sellita website SW200 info and pix of the movement... R- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Sellita is making them as drop-in replacements. I know, I need to call again and get some prices i think As to the B&R that could be a franken out of the rep box! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mike Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Of cause the are that is how they make money, look at the breitling cal 17, it is a chonometre grade 2824, cost in bulk less then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 AFAIK Ocean 7 is using Sellita movements in their genuine watches. i believe this was done to make certain they had a good supply of movements in case ETA decided to cut off everyone except their own brands. My Ocean 7 LM7 Ploprof has the Sellita eqivelent of the ETA 2824-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Not the same. ETA only suppplies the movement blanks. Balance system, Escapment, gear trian is all Breilting in house components to bring the movement up to COSC specs. Same goes for Omega, Panerai, some Tag's etc. These companies need to make up their R&D for these components. Now B&R I don't get as they use bone stock ETA's and charge way too much. I also thought, ETA was going to continue to suppply movments outside the Swatch Group, but they had to be 100% complete and not ebauches. I am sure that any of those name that are in the swatch group do not have a problem with R&D, I am also pretty sure that breitling don't make there own balance springs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mike Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I am sure that any of those name that are in the swatch group do not have a problem with R&D, I am also pretty sure that breitling don't make there own balance springs, Not just talking about the companies in the Swatch group as there are many more our there that use ETA movements at COSC spec. I agree, Breitling does not make their own balance springs as only a hand full of companies make their own. However most of the components that are attached to the ETA ebauches are built in-house by Breitling. This started back when Breilting was having Kelex finish & mod. their movements. Kelex is now part of Breitling and no longer exists. This infrastructure is what also allowed them to Develope the B01 in the manner they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member X Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 As to the B&R that could be a franken out of the rep box! +1! Is that the really accurate rep? If so, you've literally got a gen for a fraction of the gen cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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