Migge Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Hi, have I missed something, I was going to contact Avitt just now only to find out he is banned? Why is this? Has there been any issues that I am not aware of. Please, enlighten me Regards Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 have I missed something Yes Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migge Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Ken to the rescue...LOL! Mind me asking what I missed? Best regards Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I can't actually give all the details without consulting the team but suffice to say we gave Avitt every opportunity to stay with us but he chose the path that led to a ban. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 i guess i missed something too! This sounds like juicy gossip..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Suffice it to say this is old news. You can find him elsewhere but as Ken has said it ultimately was his choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaifender Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 unfortunate news no less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migge Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Yes I know I can find him elsewere, just wanted to know if I missed out on something major that would cause me to think twice before dealing with him again. Im not asking for the details, just wanted a heads up if there is something major I missed that would have been good to know. Thanks for the answers guys, Regards Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 No heads up necessary. Never an issue of customer problems when he was here. But he hasn't been here in a while. Check in where he does offer his services. He has plenty of reviews elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migge Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Thanks Watchmeister, better to be then sorry I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I was just about to post a question about Avitt's (and Stephane's - has he been banned, too?) whereabouts, when I found this thread. I can understand the Mods' not wanting to disclose full details, but, with such a popular & senior member, I would have thought a general explanation would be reasonable. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katerchen Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Stephane banned? i dont think so... Thanks @team for infos on Avitt - was wondering too, but if it was his decision in the end... Cheers! George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 stephane s atatus dos not say that he is banned, so i guess he isnt banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katerchen Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 SELAM!! @Deniz my friend, may i order a "D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I have to agree with F333 and some of the others. This came as a surprise to me, as I was considering Avitt for some PVD services down the road. From what I am seeing above, I am guessing it was less about product/delivering on the goods, and more rules/political/personal??? A little more transparency would be nice. At another watch forum I frequent there is a "Banned Members" thread. It is a non-emotional, non-confrontational thread locked to the Mod's. In short, when someone is banned, a simple one or two line reason is stated. Perhaps RWG could consider this? Example(s): Member: ABC123 banned for spamming the forum Member: XYZ321 banned for not following forum rules / trolling Member: JoeBlo asked to be banned for not agreeing with the terms of service Member: RipOff banned for failure to deliver goods sold, ripping people off Member: Dealrr banned for excessive non-approved dealing Just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 In short, when someone is banned, a simple one or two line reason is stated. Perhaps RWG could consider this? Example(s): Member: ABC123 banned for spamming the forum Member: XYZ321 banned for not following forum rules / trolling Member: JoeBlo asked to be banned for not agreeing with the terms of service Member: RipOff banned for failure to deliver goods sold, ripping people off Member: Dealrr banned for excessive non-approved dealing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 That's a good suggestion, guys. Unfortunately Avitt's summary could barely fit in a page, much less a couple of lines. We take banning VERY seriously here, and as Avitt was such a respected and senior member, it was a very very difficult decision. It took us months to come to a consensus. Included in that time were several telephone calls, trying to find middle ground while holding him to the same RWG policies everyone else is expected to follow. In the end, the decision how to proceed was his. So we honored his choice. 'Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Member: Avitt banned for not following forum rules / trolling Member: Avitt asked to be banned for not agreeing with the terms of service Kind of like that. Stephane on the other hand is much loved and required moderator of this board, with him it is just a case of life getting in the way. Ken Edit...I see Nanuq just answered as good as can be whilst I was typing, so yes like he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Everyone should have a very simple takeaway. His Choice! And as it was ultimately his choice no explanation is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Between what I know about Avitt's extracurricular activies & what I can glean between the (published) lines, I think I can guess the reasoning behind his banning. Still, a shame his choice had to come down to obey or be banned. But such is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 obey or be banned Freddy honestly have you ever known us to do the above, unless the member was doing something wrong? A point that everyone needs to think of is that maybe Avitt wouldn't want us to discuss this either. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbchubb Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 I do not question the admins/mods right or need to remove members if they violate forum rules but I find the explanations given so far unsatisfying and think that efforts to be vague will only lead to unnecessary conspiracy theories. If all that happened was that Avitt disagreed with forum rules or the admin team, he could have as well just focused his presence to other fora - no need for banning and the inevitable subsequent questions of fellow members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 @chubbchubb sorry but your whole post was a waste of time. Read what has been posted before making off the cuff comments like that. We are not trying to be vague, we are deliberately not discussing the topic. Why? Because it is none of your business, Avitt chose the course he did and we have no interest in trying to besmirch his name, end of story. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 What Ken's saying is that the point has already been addressed above. That's a good suggestion, guys. Unfortunately Avitt's summary could barely fit in a page, much less a couple of lines. We take banning VERY seriously here, and as Avitt was such a respected and senior member, it was a very very difficult decision. It took us months to come to a consensus. Included in that time were several telephone calls, trying to find middle ground while holding him to the same RWG policies everyone else is expected to follow. In the end, the decision how to proceed was his. So we honored his choice. 'Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katerchen Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 @chubbchubb sorry but your whole post was a waste of time... Avitt chose the course he did and we have no interest in trying to besmirch his name, end of story. Ken In other words: You dont want to spill more background knowledge to the public - you assume Avitt/Tony wouldnt want that either & whatever would be said public about this process of banning and reasons that led to it - this wouldnt let the person of Avitt/Tony "look any better". Did i understand you right? ------------------------------------------------------ However, anytime a senior member chooses to leave or gets banned... makes me feel sorry somehow. Anyway, this is Life - we cant change some things and return all the decisions we make. Thats it - Regards George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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