Jkay Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Thank you for the warnings, R ... nasty consequences.
krpster Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 I don't think you scrolled down far enough...have a look at the last 2 pics... Sorry, reading my post back I was not so clear. What I meant was to actually see it happen, as in observe directly as the spring unwound and the hands went flying around. Seeing the final damage is one thing (Yikes) but to watch it transpire would be a whole other ball of wax Ever seen one go like that first hand?
RWG Technical Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Posted October 28, 2011 Ever seen one go like that first hand? Understood. Yes in fact, I did see and witness one happen, this one in fact, as soon as it reached full wind, it let go (and so did I) and blew up in my hand, sounded like a cat when you step on it's tail...
siesta181 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Thanks for pointing this out. I would have never thought of the ramifications otherwise.
Bike Mike Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 As always Z great write up. Just a shame, as this mod is so easy to do correctly if the modder knows what they are doing. Just goes to show, saving time when working on a watch, almost always directly translates into a premature failure.
browngo1 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 For people like me, who have no watchmaking skills, this kind of post is an absolute education! While I regard myself as being quite technically minded, I neither have the tools or the know-how to do anything inside a watch, however, I understand exactly what this post is explaining. I, and probably hundreds more like me, have learned so much about various different watch movements and how they work, or why they don't, from reading fantastic posts like this one. Thank you Zigmeister and all the other members who have shared their knowledge. Keep it coming!
tabularasa415 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 Yes in fact, I did see and witness one happen, this one in fact, as soon as it reached full wind, it let go (and so did I) and blew up in my hand, sounded like a cat when you step on it's tail... Eeeek. I can only imagine that sound coming from inside a watch!
HauteHippie Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 Awesome pics and explanation as usual, R. Good grief, though. It looks like they just wire snips to do the job. *sigh* It'd be humorous if it wasn't so pathetic.
slask111 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 Great post! Makes me and i assume alot of other ppl think again before getting thoose movements. This is what makes this forum and its members the best.
maxman Posted November 1, 2011 Report Posted November 1, 2011 Thank you so much Zigmeister..Im sure that you have saved more than a few watches with this very Important Information. Mike
URkuk Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I shipped my H factory 390 from Joshua to The Zigmeister last week. Not sure if he has already seen one but maybe he will comment after he services mine..
davea Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Interested in your findings as there are many 390 owners out there. Dave
ta8088 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Nice input on this The Zigmeister. Why am I not surprised to see them coming from the factories this way. Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk
stiff muckler Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Wheel nomenclature “roue de seconde” Francais - modern “roue de champ” Francais - classical “sekundenrad “ Deutsch “second wheel” English – etaspeak “fourth wheel” English – UK/US To properly shorten the pinion, it should be: - "chucked" in the lathe - "parted off" with the TC graver - "profiled" - polished. sm iiH!
flex Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 great post..Very informative. thanks R.
shirotenshi Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 You said "movement without second" but doesnt the last pic shows a PAM with a sec at 3?
Jmabshir Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 You said "movement without second" but doesnt the last pic shows a PAM with a sec at 3? I was wondering about that too.... I'm confused...
RWG Technical Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Posted February 13, 2012 Why do I spend hours writing and editing the text so that it's understandable to everyone, when no is bothering to spend 3 minutes reading what's been written. If you actually read the post, the answer is right there, in fact it's just above the picture...surprisingly most of the valuable information and insight is in the text, but to gain that valuable information and insight you have to read the post, not just look at the pictures... The pictures only support the text, they don't replace it. Here is an example of this happening, this particular watch had a 3rd wheel failure, but the 2nd wheel failing will do the same damage as you see here.
redwatch Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Why do I spend hours writing and editing the text so that it's understandable to everyone, when no is bothering to spend 3 minutes reading what's been written. If you actually read the post, the answer is right there, in fact it's just above the picture...surprisingly most of the valuable information and insight is in the text, but to gain that valuable information and insight you have to read the post, not just look at the pictures... The pictures only support the text, they don't replace it. Sometimes people just like to look at the pretty pictures and never bother to read anything Please don't stop your write ups because of these people! They are truly informative and helpful!!!
gran Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Shocking news but very informative The Zigmeister Thank you!!!!
stiff muckler Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Why do I spend hours writing and editing the text so that it's understandable to everyone, when no is bothering to spend 3 minutes reading what's been written. . . . . . Dis is correct! Why do you not show da Zigmeister da respect dat he ist due? sm iiH!
thogaa Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 thanks sir if you come across one of the new h factory movements, i'd be curious to hear your thoughts deltatahoe +1
shirotenshi Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Why do I spend hours writing and editing the text so that it's understandable to everyone, when no is bothering to spend 3 minutes reading what's been written. If you actually read the post, the answer is right there, in fact it's just above the picture...surprisingly most of the valuable information and insight is in the text, but to gain that valuable information and insight you have to read the post, not just look at the pictures... The pictures only support the text, they don't replace it. I did read everything. But the 3rd wheel just doesnt make sense to me since there is a sec@3 (I assume the sec@3 is the one connected to the 3rd wheel?) I suppose this article is there to educate members, and Im appreciative of it, you have my respect. But asking question on matters that one do not understand, is a process of learning isnt it? And I dont think mine qualify as a worthless question. Edited February 15, 2012 by ShiroTenshi
Logan Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Great review thanks Zig. I managed to achieve something similar in my early days to watchmaking (watch tinkering), didn't realize you had to let the power out of the spring first and removed a few parts anyway.. so say the hands spun fast is a under statement.
ubiquitous Posted February 17, 2012 Report Posted February 17, 2012 I did read everything. But the 3rd wheel just doesnt make sense to me since there is a sec@3 (I assume the sec@3 is the one connected to the 3rd wheel?) The small seconds hand is connected to a pinion on the 2nd wheel... The 3rd wheel is another wheel in the gear train. 1
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