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I am thinking of a fraken daytona 16520 .

I always heard that phong has good case, But who is phong and where to look for his stuff??

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no phong is

http://www.jewelryandwatch.com/

if you want to see the price with out registering just click on the "+shipping" link to the right of each product. you ll be hard pressed to find any case under $1500 FYI

haha I had a 50/50 chance in my bookmarks and got it wrong. But if you ever need a dial, NDT is good!

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Seriously why are they so expensive.. I mean for example the 16610 sub case is $1200 .. what's the different from phong and wm9??? and is the daytona brezel flat like gen for the price that they offering ?

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Phong cases are usually very good but very pricey. The Daytona case is accurate as far as I know.

I'm more interested in the 16610 case with lugholes.

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Phong's cases are generally great quality, but only make sense when you are planning to build an uberfranken (gen everything) and it's uneconomical to buy a gen case. Prices are negotiable, just stick to the case parts you really need (i.e no bezel, pushers, crystals etc. you'll buy these gen anyway), usually you'll only need the midcase with caseback.

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I heard all available daytona now have thick bezel, and that is the easiest to get tell. will a phong case fix the problem? Is the case really 1:1 including the bezel engraving and stuff are accruate? for sub case, is it better then wm9 or Sean case?

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I heard all available daytona now have thick bezel, and that is the easiest to get tell. will a phong case fix the problem? Is the case really 1:1 including the bezel engraving and stuff are accruate? for sub case, is it better then wm9 or Sean case?

It is better to go to gen bezel for your Daytona. Phong bezel is not very accurate. The only needs you have from Phong is the case & case-back (and maybe pushers, they are not so bad)

For a sub case, it's pretty impossible to get a WM9 v1/v2/v3 case.

You can choose between Sean or TC (also called WM9 v4) case ! There is some threads talking about the differences seen between the 2.

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"...you ll be hard pressed to find any case under $1500 FYI"

I would never pay that much. For that price, I could buy a genuine rolex 1603.

"its all mark up. thats why theyre so expensive."

True...and because a few will always pay the price. How much you pay has nothing to do with what you get.

The guy who said "You get what you pay for" never bought a replica watch.

If someone started making 95% accurate vintage 5513/1680 etc cases for $299 the prices would drop like a rock. DW was close...but still too far off.

If an enterprising individual started with the closest to genuine $200 watches available (1680, 5513 etc) and modified the cases to accept genuine movements and dials, they could make a LOT of spending money.

How about a Josh (asian 21j) 5513 and 1680 with proper CG and a deeper caseback for $199? That alone would probably knock out a lot of the demand for high $$ cases. :boxing:

But nooooooooo! That makes far too much sense.

I give up. :surrender:

For now...

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automatico - This is 1 of those rare cases where I have to disagree, slightly, with you. Phong's cases, while his prices bear little connection with reality, are constructed to gen specs, which means gen parts, including the movement, will drop in without modification. They also tend to weigh a bit more than the average rep or aftermarket case & are machined to a better fit & finish. Certainly, this is not something that most people will notice (or appreciate), but, if everything else is gen, it gives the watch that Rolex-like tactile feel & indescribable x-factor that only a gen has & this can make all the difference when you hand your watch to someone with experience. It also comes through when photographed well. Just look at Ubi's pre-Comex if you need further evidence.

I considered using a gen 5513 case for my pre-Comex Sub, but, in the end, I could not bring myself to modify a gen Sub case, which would have cost about twice (or more) what Phong's case cost anyway.

Bottom line - Phong's pricing is beyond ridiculous for anything other than an all-gen (except for the case) watch, in which case, it may make sense

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Freddy...I agree with what you say. My post was meant to show what could be done at an affordable price with acceptable results. Another example being the current 'MBW' at around $400+/- that offers fine fit and finish (for an eta) and a nice dial at a reasonable price.

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I had MBW in mind when I wrote my comments. For the money, MBW is the best buy, especially since you can fit many gen parts to them & end up with a credible franken.

My Double Red 1665 & phase I 5514 both used MBW mid-cases, which looked good & worked well (with some modifications to get gen movements to fit), but neither have quite the fit, finish or heft of Phong's case.

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problems with the current MBKs severe lack of quality control and dealing with the "watch nazi" (nah piek) who sells them.

in manufacturing most batches will have a 3-7% defective rate, his is more like 30% , but dont try and tell him that "NO WATCH FOR YOU!!!"

and im not talking small defects either, things he has no shame about selling with a straight face.

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I'm with Freddy on this one. I do a lot of Panerai casework so I have an eye for geometry differences as well as tactile and "tooling" feels of a watch case. Plainly speaking, J&W cases use better quality steel. In addition looking at the lug profile, the arc of Phong lug is a 1:1 match for Rolex with a pointier lug due to a longer gentler top curve; whereas the MBW has a more abrupt curve that starts closer to the lug hole. Lastly, the inside corners of lugs, lug and underside satination, lug chamfers on J&W are all executed to a much higher standard. To me it's not even a contest, while MBW is a nice budget case it's not even in the same ballpark for a serious build.

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Looking at the two sites NDT, Minh Quy and J&W it seems they are so similar, is there any association between the two? If so, is an NDT case equal to a phong case of any/all models?

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Ndt and Minh are very very closely related, phong has 0 connection to either

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Sorry to write again on this old thread but do you know how to contact Phong ? I have sent him several email without answer...Thanks in advance !

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Funnily enough, I messaged him yesterday received the following message:

 

'This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, due to being unable to connect successfully to the destination mail server.

info@jewelryandwatch.com'

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