Jewelry & Watch

[red00005rer10]

Hello,

 

I am new to this great site!

 

I've always loved the 6263 Big Red Daytona and, since I don't have $35-40k burning a hole in my pocket, I've decided to go with a nice replica.  

 

I came upon Jewelry & Watch and Mr. Phong.  His products look amazing but this particular model comes with a $6k price tag...pretty high I think for a replica.  I believe he said the only thing genuine Rolex will be the balance wheel - everything else is aftermarket.

 

Does anyone have recent experience with Phong and is $6k the going asking price for a good quality replica 6263?

 

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Tom

[tomhorn]

Phong produces some high quality stuff. If you do a simple search you will find hundreds of posts from people using his products. He is the go-to guy for many aftermarket Rolex parts.

 

There are also many posts about building Daytona's with good information.

 

Without the specs of the build you are talking about it's hard to tell if $6k is a good price. If he isn't using any gen parts at all, then it's pretty high. You can just buy parts (for example, the mid-case) from him and source other gen and aftermarket parts yourself. You will save some money if you shop well, but be prepared to be patient.

[alligoat]

Building a 6265 isn't cheap, and certainly not for the feint of heart, but you can possibly do it for half of what Phong charges. Of course, Phong makes some mods that most people don't bother with, like the mods to the V72 movement- who is going to see those anyway?

You could also use a DW case and save a bundle. Other people also carry parts like Yuki that are less expensive. And building it yourself takes longer- sometimes a year or two- but it should be cheaper. All of Phong's parts are aftermarket, but they are of good quality. But others have parts that are also decent quality- you just have to keep looking around and be patient. Also, you'll have to find a watchmaker to put the watch together for you, depending on how easily all of the parts fit together, that could be $500 or more. But there are alternatives to Phong, you just have to check them out and then decide which way you want to go.

[freddy333]

A watch is worth whatever YOU are willing to pay for it.

Phong sells alot of nice aftermarket parts, but he also sells alot of highly questionable parts at near-gen prices. & there is little consistency to them. His pre-assembled watches tend to look pretty good (not 1:1 exact copies of gens), but, from those I have seen, they tend to be of shoddy condition with missing/broken/worn screws, missing/broken parts epoxied together, etc. Unfortunately, the same can be said for just about any other pre-assembled franken from any of the other 'high-end' sellers. This is not to say you should never buy 1 of these frankens, but it is important that you do YOUR research on the gen & know what you are getting into before you click the buy button.

This is a good case for the old 'if you want it done right, do it yourself' adage.

[red00005rer10]

I sure do appreciate everyone's advice.

 

I do not have the time or knowledge to assemble and source parts myself to put together one of these so maybe a JAW version might be for me.  

 

Does anyone actually own a 6263 from Phong (preferably black dial) that they would be willing to post pics of and share your opinion of your watch?

 

Thanks again,

 

Tom

[miagi]

dropping 6k on a rep isnt a good idea on your first venture into the hobby... just my cents, but you have to consider; who is going to service it down the road. you cant just take it to a rolex service center.

[Nanuq]

$6,000 is a lot of money for a watch. By spending that amount you should be able to expect a complete, well assembled, solid piece with no issues.

When the small issues start to arise it will be disappointing, and the fact you spent that amount on it will feel like a betrayal. It will not be perfect, it will be very nice, and the $6,000 isn't the end of your outlay for this one.

So, are you prepared for that? If you build it yourself it will take much longer but in the end it will be exactly what you want, and it will be built right.

[red00005rer10]

For 6K you get a very nice GEN vintage rolex! Not a daytona but it's going to be Gen! So i think spending 6k for a rep watch is way out of line but hey thats just me!

Understood.  However, I do own a genuine 16520 white dial W series that I've enjoyed for 10 years now.  I was just dreaming of adding a black dial 6263 to pair with it and obviously cannot afford a genuine's high price tag.

[cc33]

Imo you need to buy a genuine dial eg: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1385247366/

And genuine bezel: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1384971435/

And genuine crown/tube (24-700) : http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1385255127/

And genuine tropic 21 crystal either sd or service your choice: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1378396517/

Then when you get your parts send them to phong and ask him to build you a 6239 using his mid case, pushers, case back, hands and movement. Do not opt for the movement conversion just a straight v72 will do, he will assemble it for you and send it back built. I've given you what I feel is the minimum amount of gen parts for a 6239 to make it very nice. All in you would be spending the same as if you recieved a watch from him with his superficial movement conversion, but with a bad a dial bad crown and ok bezel... If it were me, I'd spend the money he would have taken from you for the conversion and spend it on these essential gen parts

Slightly more work, same $, much better result

Just to add I can make you the same list but for a 6263/5 build, I just knew of this particular gen dial that's for sale and for a 6239 but there may be a big red dial for sale.. It will cost double..

[ogladio]

^^Well spoken, enough said - now go build this Tom

[whoopy12]

Imo you need to buy a genuine dial eg: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1385247366/

And genuine bezel: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1384971435/

And genuine crown/tube (24-700) : http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1385255127/

And genuine tropic 21 crystal either sd or service your choice: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1378396517/

Then when you get your parts send them to phong and ask him to build you a 6239 using his mid case, pushers, case back, hands and movement. Do not opt for the movement conversion just a straight v72 will do, he will assemble it for you and send it back built. I've given you what I feel is the minimum amount of gen parts for a 6239 to make it very nice. All in you would be spending the same as if you recieved a watch from him with his superficial movement conversion, but with a bad a dial bad crown and ok bezel... If it were me, I'd spend the money he would have taken from you for the conversion and spend it on these essential gen parts

Slightly more work, same $, much better result

Just to add I can make you the same list but for a 6263/5 build, I just knew of this particular gen dial that's for sale and for a 6239 but there may be a big red dial for sale.. It will cost double..

 

+ 1

This will provide an awfully satisfying watch

[janeto72]

if you want to do the build right...you will spend more than $6000.00 if you use minty or NOS parts...

[ghost]

Or put in a WTB for a franken 6263/6265 watch. At 6k, i'm pretty sure some folks might be interested to part with them

[red00005rer10]

Imo you need to buy a genuine dial eg: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1385247366/

And genuine bezel: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1384971435/

And genuine crown/tube (24-700) : http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1385255127/

And genuine tropic 21 crystal either sd or service your choice: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/message/1378396517/

Then when you get your parts send them to phong and ask him to build you a 6239 using his mid case, pushers, case back, hands and movement. Do not opt for the movement conversion just a straight v72 will do, he will assemble it for you and send it back built. I've given you what I feel is the minimum amount of gen parts for a 6239 to make it very nice. All in you would be spending the same as if you recieved a watch from him with his superficial movement conversion, but with a bad a dial bad crown and ok bezel... If it were me, I'd spend the money he would have taken from you for the conversion and spend it on these essential gen parts

Slightly more work, same $, much better result

Just to add I can make you the same list but for a 6263/5 build, I just knew of this particular gen dial that's for sale and for a 6239 but there may be a big red dial for sale.. It will cost double..

Thank you very much for this sir.  I have frequented VRF daily for many years to read their great posts and lust after the vintage Rolex.  And I do see these parts come up for sale regularly (surprisingly). However, it does look like this would put me well over the $6k mark and I thought that was too much already for a rep.  

 

As Ghost suggests, I think my first step will be to post a WTB and see if a good standing member here may want to part with his 6263...the more gen parts the better!  If anyone here knows of someone looking to sell, please send them my way.

 

Thanks again!

 

Tom 

[red00005rer10]

Or put in a WTB for a franken 6263/6265 watch. At 6k, i'm pretty sure some folks might be interested to part with them

This is what I was thinking at this point but I just looked on that forum and I do not have the VIP or Platinum status to post...

 

If you know of anyone looking to sell a nice 6263, please let me know.

[janeto72]

mine is always for sale...but I won't take anything less than $11,500.00....and I have about $13,500.00 into it

[ghost]

Red, why not upgrade then? This site is simply the best. And a lot of good people on hand to help you out.

Like janeto, i pumped a lot of money into mine- gen dial, bezel, crown/tube, bracelet/end links, VJ726 movement X 2! That's right. I'm nuts!

What's worse? I'm now going into my 3rd build! Hopefully this time with a sigma dial! I already have the gen bakelite bezel lying in wait!

 

This place is the bomb. It's more or less my home page 

[cc33]

2600€ for the gen parts which is 3500$ us. His case is around 1200$ with no bezel or crown, and the movement and hands will be around 1200$ imo so that's a total of.. 5900$ he will charge 100$ for fedex and 400 ish to build it. That's 6400$ us. Just saying, it's only a few bucks over the 6k he would have charged you for his version with upgraded mvmt and rep dial etc

[cc33]

Also I guess it needs to be said that with spending 6k on his version you will not get your money back if/when you decide to sell it to one of us! You may get half, but with the build I outlined for 6400$ you will get most if not all back if/when you decide to sell

[red00005rer10]

mine is always for sale...but I won't take anything less than $11,500.00....and I have about $13,500.00 into it

May I see some pics of it please?

[cc33]

http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/149900-rwg-6265-6263-vintage-daytona-build-tutorial/?fromsearch=1

[red00005rer10]

http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/149900-rwg-6265-6263-vintage-daytona-build-tutorial/?fromsearch=1

That is an absolute beauty but I am looking for the black dial version.