bigmouth Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Hi all, Happy New Year! In 2006 I bought 9 replica's from 4 dealers here on the board. I'm very glad i have found this forum with al that knowledge and access to the best replica's in the world, although: 1st watch: Omega Planet Ocean 4th generation ETA: Bracelet had a lot of scratches and the six hour marker is not alligned and a little bit croocked. I fixed the bracelet with a kitchen pad, cape cod and sandpaper, it's perfect again but i still have the misalligned six marker. 2nd watch: Panerai 212, first generation: this one came in perfect. 3rd watch: Tag Heuer Indy 500 quartz: came in with all chronomarkers not resetting to the correct place. I fixed this in cooperation with the dealer. 4th watch: IWC GST Ti: came in with a little white spot above the 360 on the tachymeter dial Not perfect but this is so small, I can live with this. 5th watch: Asia IWC FA Jones Viagra: The blue minutehand is chipped. I found out 95% of the Viagra blue has this problem, have to live with it. 6th watch: Rolex Submariner with Swiss ETA: the six marker is bad alligned on the dial and the rolex crown on the clasp is not printed well. 7th watch: Panerai 187: came in perfect, but next day 2 markers from the bezel fell off. I was lucky i found the 2 markers, now i am waiting for the gorilla glue to glue this back. 8th watch: Omega Ultimate Planet Ocean 45.5 Swiss ETA: I asked the dealer if he was able to send me a perfect one. I asked can you please take extra care of misalligned bezel and markers on the dial. Dealer wrote back that he will take extra care of that. I received the watch with a misalligned 6 marker on the dial. 9th watch: Omega Speedmaster X-33 quartz: I received the watch with a total misalligned omega logo on the dial. This one screams fake. I'm not gonna wear this one. 4 dealers, 9 watches, just one watch that came in perfect. Maybe i'm too lazy or anxious to send the watches immediately back. Maybe I had to complain. I know if you want perfect buy the gen. But... I made up my mind. No dropshipping anymore for me in 2007. I want the cherrypicked ones. I will pay extra for that service you will have for that perfect one. I know Eddie Lee and TTK are no dropshippers but do you people other dealers here on the board that do NOT dropship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Quite some bad luck you had. Eddie lee does drop ship by the way. Precioustime doesn`t. Narikaa doesn`t Is it possible to show us some pics of your misfortune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 TTK doesn't drop ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evgyrt Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Hi all What is "Dropskipping"? best evgyrt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Hi all What is "Dropskipping"? best evgyrt It means that the dealers drop the watches on the floor several times before they send them out (lots of crooked dial markers because of that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexman Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) I think it all depends on your own standards... My Omega SMP Chrono which came from TTK ('cherrypicked') had a chipped pearl, slipping stem, scratches on the lugs and a bad clasp spring. The moral of the story?... no need to pay extra $ for the cherry picking IMO!!! It's a role of the dice..... dropshipped, cherrypicked.. it's all the same, you just need a little luck! Edited January 3, 2007 by Rolexman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 It means that the dealers drop the watches on the floor several times before they send them out (lots of crooked dial markers because of that). You forgot to mention the jumping the dealers do on the watches prior to skipping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narikaa Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Hi all What is "Dropskipping"? best evgyrt 'Dropskipping' I cant help you with Dropshipping on the other hand is..... Remote (distance) order taking/forwarding With rep watches it is someone who takes your order & money then forwards (by email etc) your postal details and item(s) required to a third (remote) party - invariably in China. And there's the rub ......... Anyone with experience of Chinese wholesalers knows that you are 'up against it' getting ANYTHING done to your satisfaction if you are not personally standing over them. Their idea of customer care is not on the same wavelength as that of Westerners (read, they don't give a flying f**k once they have your money). So assuming that what, when, & how things are sent by a Chinese 'agent' (at the behest of a drop-shipper sometimes a continent or two distant from them) will be OK, is a recipe for disappointment. And No I dont dropship or involve myself in any aspect of it. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmouth Posted January 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Quite some bad luck you had. Eddie lee does drop ship by the way. Precioustime doesn`t. Narikaa doesn`t Is it possible to show us some pics of your misfortune? Thanks for the quick reply Peter. I always thought Eddie Lee was no dropshipper because of his higher prices. So I was wrong. I already posted a lot of pics of my watches in the "wristcheck" posts but on the pics you can hardly see the imperfects because i try to hide the imperfects when i make a picture TTK doesn't drop ship I already said that in my post, but thanks for the quick reply! Hi all What is "Dropskipping"? best evgyrt I wish it was dropskipping Dropshipping is that the dealers do not have the watches in stock at home. They do not even see the watch they will send you. They send your order to the factory. The factory, with no qualitycontrol, picks out a watch from a big stash ,which has I guess 70% imperfects because of the lack of qualitycontrol. The factory don't even look if the watch is broke or have other imperfections, they just wrap it in plastic and send it to you. It means that the dealers drop the watches on the floor several times before they send them out (lots of crooked dial markers because of that). LOL By-tor, I really enjoy and appreciated all your reviews, posts and pics on the forum. You are really a diamond for the community! Thanks! I think it all depends on your own standards... My Omega SMP Chrono which came from TTK ('cherrypicked') had a chipped pearl, slipping stem, scratches on the lugs and a bad clasp spring. The moral of the story?... no need to pay extra $ for the cherry picking IMO!!! It's a role of the dice..... dropshipped, cherrypicked.. it's all the same, you just need a little luck! Hmm so there is actually no cherrypicking? Maybe i'm indeed a little bit a frigging perfectionist. Just can't help it. Always looking for imperfections, you should have seen my ex-girlfriends I even earn my money because i'm a perfectionist. If i do not do my job perfect, planes will fell out of the sky Maybe i have to lower my standards for rep watches. Thanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Hi all What is "Dropskipping"? best evgyrt You mean dropshipping. It's when joe blow sells you a watch and then has his cousin's father's sister's husband's friend pick it up and ship it to you. This person doesn't give a rats ass what shape the watch is in so it's like playing roulette.... sometimes you win... most times you lose. Have you tried changing straps on that 212 yet? Bet the lug screws are stripped because there's virtually no thread on them. Add that to your list of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 You are not alone my friend! Not in the least! I had some misfortunes myself, here's the list: 1. Rolex Day-Date President: There is some crusty build-up on the 6:00 flute... looks like rust. Barely noticeable unless observed at correct light and with magnifying glass. MINOR issue. 2. Rolex Turn-O-Graph: Tiny blemish on the fact near 11:00. Same as 1, you have to really try hard to notice it. Bezel stopped rotation after several weeks. I don't care. 3. Panerai Luminor 44mm Power Reserve: A nightmare. 3 big globs of dirt encrusted into the glass itself. I have no idea how this one passed through quality control. No idea. I look upon it with shame. 4. Rolex Yacht-Master w/ White Face SS: Flawless except for bezel being missaligned. Can be gently "fudged" into place if you twist it slowly and carefully. I don't care. 5. Rolex Lady's President FG DJ: Flawless, I'm told. 6. Patek Philippe Calastrava: Another shameful performance - a big glob of dirt underneath the glass at 10:00. But, I don't care - it's not completely noticeable as "inside" dirt so most people who see it will think its on the outside unless observing at the perfect angle. That's it. All fairly minor problems and notice one thing - never have I complained about the movements. All of them work fine, keep great time, and are pleasures to wear. You have to accept these tiny faults for the benefit of the greater whole. Look at it this way, 99.99% of the watch is perfect except for one tiny tiny inconvenience only you can notice under close and lengthy scrutiny (gazing into your watch for hours upon hours while on the toilet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmouth Posted January 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) And No I dont dropship or involve myself in any aspect of it. . Hi, Narikaa, you are a different dealer, not only in service and quality control but also in variety of watches you are selling. Most watches I want are not on your list. Maybe I have to ask for it first. Have you tried changing straps on that 212 yet? Bet the lug screws are stripped because there's virtually no thread on them. Add that to your list of problems. I am very lucky with my 212. I have changed straps many times on it. At this moment the 212 has a BOB Marino antic brown strap. Strange thing is that I know the crownguard is very wrong for the first generation, but i like the "wrong" crownguard more than the correct one. Because of the lack of saphire I wear the 212 only on occasions I know for sure that it won't scratch. You are not alone my friend! Not in the least! All fairly minor problems and notice one thing - never have I complained about the movements. All of them work fine, keep great time, and are pleasures to wear. You have to accept these tiny faults for the benefit of the greater whole. Look at it this way, 99.99% of the watch is perfect except for one tiny tiny inconvenience only you can notice under close and lengthy scrutiny (gazing into your watch for hours upon hours while on the toilet). Yeah the movements are great! From the 9 watches there are just 2 I do not wear, the Rollie Sub and the (just received) Omega X-33. I enjoy all other watches and some imperfects i just discovered after a few days/weeks. So I guess it is just me and my nitpicking perfectionist behaviour. BTW LOL, you are right i'm often looking to my watch when i'm on the toillet Edited January 3, 2007 by bigmouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devedander Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 While I believe they do drop ship, I recommend Silix as they have always worked to make right even the smallest blemishes on my watches... Also might want to try belial2k over at RWI I believe he directly ships all his watches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 (gazing into your watch for hours upon hours while on the toilet). Everyone does it, but did it really have to be said ? And does it really take hours and hours to use the toilet or is that just in foreign f***land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devedander Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Everyone does it, but did it really have to be said ? And does it really take hours and hours to use the toilet or is that just in foreign f***land? I usually make an event of it so it takes a while... you know, bring the laptop to check the forums, serve up a plate of some nice bbq chicken or a maybe veal parmasian and put on a nice watch... bring it all in and make an evening of it... sometimes fall asleep for a while too... it's like a mini vacation in my own home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvt Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Sometimes people don't like to admit it but the fact is that you are just experiencing "normal" quality for fake watches. It is annoying as hell for sure but the total and complete lack of quality control means that most of the time you will have annoying issues with fake watches. Price does not equate to quality in this world so even more expensive watches are no better. Look at the problems people are having with the big bang. It is one of the most expensive Asian movement watches you can buy and yet I have heard of four problems already, and BIG problems (one arrived dead, one had non working chronos, one had a second hand fall off and one had many smaller issues all at once). While I think you have had particularly bad luck I also think you may have unrealisticly high expectations. You have to remember that when you read someone post how incredible a watch is and that it is 1:1 and exactly like the read deal and all of that, chances are they just don't have the same expectations you do. I have yet to see any "replica" watch that does not have major issues right out of the box. Some guys get really into modding the watches and they can get them incredibly close looking to the gen, but for a guy like me (and I presume you) who just wants them nice out of the box you have to just accept a lot of little annoying issues. On the flip side only you will ever be aware of 90% of them, no one will ever study your watch like you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebakanezzar Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 WoW! who have you been buying your watches from? I have purchased 7 or 8 reps since I found this place, and have had only 2 problems...sounds like you have had some really bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Sometimes people don't like to admit it but the fact is that you are just experiencing "normal" quality for fake watches. It is annoying as hell for sure but the total and complete lack of quality control means that most of the time you will have annoying issues with fake watches. Price does not equate to quality in this world so even more expensive watches are no better. Look at the problems people are having with the big bang. It is one of the most expensive Asian movement watches you can buy and yet I have heard of four problems already, and BIG problems (one arrived dead, one had non working chronos, one had a second hand fall off and one had many smaller issues all at once). While I think you have had particularly bad luck I also think you may have unrealisticly high expectations. You have to remember that when you read someone post how incredible a watch is and that it is 1:1 and exactly like the read deal and all of that, chances are they just don't have the same expectations you do. I have yet to see any "replica" watch that does not have major issues right out of the box. Some guys get really into modding the watches and they can get them incredibly close looking to the gen, but for a guy like me (and I presume you) who just wants them nice out of the box you have to just accept a lot of little annoying issues. On the flip side only you will ever be aware of 90% of them, no one will ever study your watch like you do. Excellent analysis - as always... I also think that the original poster did have a run of bad luck, if I compare it to what I have gotten, I never had anything but minor minor issues. Unrealisticly high expectations can lead to disapointement, as well as unrealistic expectations if trying to "mod" your watch to be 100% genuine in all aspects when viewed under a microscope...these are reps after all...nothing more... RG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Of the 6 reps I bought in 06, the best was the one I got from TTK. It had no bvlemishes, everything was straight, and everything worked. I think he checks everything before he ships. Too bad he doesn't take PPal anymore. Of the watches I got from EL, TWG, PT, and Josh, all had minor issues. They all bothered the crap out of me in the beginning, and after the watches stopped being my favorite new toy i got over most of them. The most annoying was the 4 crooked markers on my PO, and second place goes to my LV which actually had impact marks (nicks) in the bezel. Since I have added my own blemishes the original ones are less noticable. I am liking what I am seeing for 2007 so far though. It will be mostly "special" project reps for me this year. I am jumping on the Carrera as soon as I see a steel band, and the BB has always been a favorite of mine, but i'll wait until some of the issues are reported to be worked out. I'd get most of my reps from TTK this yearf, but PPal is really the only way for me so...I do think TTK goes further than the other dealers to check his merch before it ships though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 1st watch: Omega Planet Ocean 4th generation ETA: the six hour marker is not alligned and a little bit croocked. 8th watch: Omega Ultimate Planet Ocean 45.5 Swiss ETA: I asked the dealer if he was able to send me a perfect one. I asked can you please take extra care of misalligned bezel and markers on the dial. Dealer wrote back that he will take extra care of that. I received the watch with a misalligned 6 marker on the dial. Strangely enough, I bought two Planet Oceans in 2006, plus received a third because one of the two was an incorrect combination of strap and case and therefor wouldn't fit together. All three had crooked 6 markers. I found it much easier to just straighten them...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vric Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 'cherrypicked' or not, my only "not perfect" replica came from Neil, which suposed to 'cherrypick' them. You had bad luck, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polynomial Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 TTK doesn't drop ship I don't care if he drops a ship, for as long as he does not drop any of the watches before shipping 'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tracy Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 True that everyone has their own particular set of can't-live-with errors,... and it seems that the more you read here, the more you will discover to add to your list,... It's enough to drive you crazy if you don't pick a set that you can live with..and also be able to make the distinction between flaws and QC problems... With me is flaws, i.e. differences from genuine are not my main concern, unless they are glaring,.. QC is, however,.. but only those which I cannot personally correct..which are mostly related to my number one Hate...Mis-Aligned Markers....To me the obvious tell tale of a fake... Seems Most watches which have glued on markers especially Rolex,.. 99% are mis-placed too high, low, right, left of just plain crooked,..and going with dealers who hand inspect has not reduced the problem,... I chalk it up to dealer stigmatism... One good point however is when I show my watches to friends,.... many don't notice the alignment problems... which makes it for a while at least,..bearable, until I take that closer look.... Maybe it's just not wise to focus too clearly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmouth Posted January 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 True that everyone has their own particular set of can't-live-with errors,... and it seems that the more you read here, the more you will discover to add to your list,... It's enough to drive you crazy if you don't pick a set that you can live with..and also be able to make the distinction between flaws and QC problems... With me is flaws, i.e. differences from genuine are not my main concern, unless they are glaring,.. QC is, however,.. but only those which I cannot personally correct..which are mostly related to my number one Hate...Mis-Aligned Markers....To me the obvious tell tale of a fake... Seems Most watches which have glued on markers especially Rolex,.. 99% are mis-placed too high, low, right, left of just plain crooked,..and going with dealers who hand inspect has not reduced the problem,... I chalk it up to dealer stigmatism... One good point however is when I show my watches to friends,.... many don't notice the alignment problems... which makes it for a while at least,..bearable, until I take that closer look.... Maybe it's just not wise to focus too clearly... So true, first thing i look when i see a rollie sub on a wrist in the wild is the alignement of markers, then datewheel/mag, then crown/crownguard. A lot of reps have misplaced markers, for me it's also the nr.1 giveaway of a fake. It's almost the 6 marker all the time, what is the problem to place the 6 marker because rep factories almost align it wrong all the time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craytonic Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 You are right about the 6 marker, seems like they have problem with the "12" as well; particularly if it is a numeral since the 1 and 2 have to be properly alligned and centered. I am guessing the markers are attached by hand? I can't think of why else they would be so bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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