Sogeha Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 "the only things one ever truly regrets in life are ones economies" money is over rated anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pombok Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Hey guys, such an enjoyable thread to read. I've been drooling all the way through! I love this dial version: Also, I'd be really keen to hear if these 'shortcut' versions of the PN Daytona are a worthwhile base model from which to make mods to...http://www.pf-818.com/watches/rolex/daytona/vintages.htmlSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 The crown stem broke on my DW Mystery Mov't Daytona approx. 10 years ago. I never found a suitable replacement stem. Does anybody know what stem fits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Wrap some extremely thin brass sheet around it where it broke, heat it, add a tiny drop of solder and let capillary attraction draw the solder into the joint. Then send it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hahaha! That is a really great idea!! I suppose a solder with less lead would be stronger--it is a high-torque 'link' since it's a daily winder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I'm thinking the sheet would spread out the stress too. You could even add a second layer if you wrapped it tight enough. Not quite foil thin but close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 I will give it a shot. I have to go downtown anyhow this week, right near the jewelry/watch district here... Lotsa neat shops with all sorts of repair parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pombok Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Gents, I did a quick scout online to find the gen 6263 case dimensions; my results turned up:Case diameter: 37mmCase thickness: 13.4mmCan anyone validate these dimensions? Additionally, does the 37mm diameter include the crown and/or pushers. It'd be good to know the case diameter without crown and pushers, since most builds start with a case shell that may need refinishing to size.Input appreciated from those with the knowledge Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 The crown stem broke on my DW Mystery Mov't Daytona approx. 10 years ago. I never found a suitable replacement stem. Does anybody know what stem fits? Did you try a valjoux 23 stem?Alternatively you can just swap the mystery Movement for a genuine valjoux 23 movement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 Did you try a valjoux 23 stem? Alternatively you can just swap the mystery Movement for a genuine valjoux 23 movement. I've built a few v23 and v72 DWs a decade ago... And if memory serves me right, the stem is not the same size at all. I have a valjoux 230 flyback, which is a modified valjoux 23, but the stem is a split stem and it appears to be of a different size than the MM stem. The mystery continues... I think there are a few folks seeking this same info... btw Slay, nice gilt sub you have up for grabs-------> very tempting! Here's the modified Valjoux 23 aka caliber 230 flyback. I tried to install this stem but it appears to be of a different size One thought I have is that this MM might be a weird and unique one. I got this particular movement from DW's very very first batch. His parts were all different at the time. Trial & error or rather, research and testing phase... I never sold this particular watch because I wanted to figure out what the hell the issue is with this stem!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyp1 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Bought these from DW... I’d say 12 years ago..7750 variants Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 @tony those are spectacular early examples of DWs. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry tasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyp1 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 [mention=3605]tony[/mention] those are spectacular early examples of DWs. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry tasty! Lol let me say that I had tremendous luck with DW at first. I think he liked me because I ordered watches from him from very early on. I last tried to order I believe a 6238. The watch I received had a broken dial and a case back so misaligned it would only go on half way.. Needless to say I walked away from reps at that point but kept these.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolo1972sg Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyp1 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Haven’t worn this in years. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrodder Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 That is a beautiful collection@thesocietySent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max72 Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 Now the question is: who’s going to sell me one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 "The crown stem broke on my DW Mystery Mov't Daytona approx. 10 years ago. I never found a suitable replacement stem. Does anybody know what stem fits?" I bought a few stem assortments over the years and can usually match one up with a movement where the stem is hard to find. Tap (thread) size can be a problem because many old watches have T8 (1.1mm) or T9 (1.0mm) stems. Most mechanical watches today are T10 (.9mm) and most quartz watches are T10 or T11. .70mm = tap 12 .80mm = tap 11 .90mm = tap10 most common 1.0mm =-tap 9 1.1mm-= tap 8 1.2mm = tap 7 The threads on a stem are the same as the threads on any type of screw. Sometimes you have to use an adapter to go from one thread size to another if you can not find a stem the right size but you have to have room for the adapter between the crown and movement and it has to fit through the case tube. Here is one stem assortment on eBay for example: Item number 382773712115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeamasterLux Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 I find this thread truly fascinating. Thank you for sharing! I am pondering the purchase of a 18kt gold 6263 case from Phong. Dial would come from MQ. Have to see about the rest. Any input on this? here’s mine recently purchased. 6263: Yuki full case, MQ dial, VJ72 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 "I am pondering the purchase of a 18kt gold 6263 case from Phong. Dial would come from MQ. Have to see about the rest. Any input on this?" Not being a 'Daddy Downer' here...this is a bit of friendly advice from someone who has traded and worked on watches for close to 50 years: Forget about it unless you can find one already finished at a fire sale price so the other guy takes the lo$$. Why? All you will really have is an overpriced $$ fake gold case, a $$ V72 movement, and an aftmkt dial no matter how much it cost you to put it together. Gold at today's prices is not a good buy imho. Example...I have an 18K (29 grams) replica rolex Prez/DJ case and it is worth about as much as an empty case as it would be with a running swiss ETA movement and aftmkt dial. With a genuine 3135 and dial it would be worth the gold price of the case and the going price of a genuine 3135 and dial, not what a genuine example would be worth. Besides that, I got the case when gold was between $300 and $400 per troy oz, can not remember the exact price. Otoh you will not get hurt on your steel Daytona because: Steel is IN. Steel is a LOT cheaper. The rest of the components are probably worth close to what you paid for them. The Bottom Line is...replicas are not worth very much in the real world, usually just the value of the components added together. For RWG members, replica and Frankenstein projects are almost always a $$ losing endeavor...but we are Maybe buy a genuine vintage 18K Omega Constellation, Longines Admiral or something at a fair price and put it on a high quality crocodile strap with a gold buckle. For example... Like new Gubelin automatic from the early 1970s, all original, all genuine, all 18K gold. Or go cheap... Not like new, not original, not genuine, but all 14K gold including the buckle. It gets more complements (plus a few laughs) than any gold rolex I have ever owned. How much did it cost? Less than $200USD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeamasterLux Posted May 2, 2022 Report Share Posted May 2, 2022 13 hours ago, automatico said: "I am pondering the purchase of a 18kt gold 6263 case from Phong. Dial would come from MQ. Have to see about the rest. Any input on this?" Not being a 'Daddy Downer' here...this is a bit of friendly advice from someone who has traded and worked on watches for close to 50 years: Forget about it unless you can find one already finished at a fire sale price so the other guy takes the lo$$. Why? All you will really have is an overpriced $$ fake gold case, a $$ V72 movement, and an aftmkt dial no matter how much it cost you to put it together. Gold at today's prices is not a good buy imho. Example...I have an 18K (29 grams) replica rolex Prez/DJ case and it is worth about as much as an empty case as it would be with a running swiss ETA movement and aftmkt dial. With a genuine 3135 and dial it would be worth the gold price of the case and the going price of a genuine 3135 and dial, not what a genuine example would be worth. Besides that, I got the case when gold was between $300 and $400 per troy oz, can not remember the exact price. Otoh you will not get hurt on your steel Daytona because: Steel is IN. Steel is a LOT cheaper. The rest of the components are probably worth close to what you paid for them. The Bottom Line is...replicas are not worth very much in the real world, usually just the value of the components added together. For RWG members, replica and Frankenstein projects are almost always a $$ losing endeavor...but we are thank you for the reasonable answer. I’ve always only ever had gen watches, including gold Calatrava so not looking for any kind of gold watches. PN and simple Daytonas are and will remain unaffordable so that’s why I ventured into this 6263. I really like it and was thinking of going next for a PN. I agree that most of these aren’t worth that much especially if one tries to build one by himself. Phong asks 15k$ for a complete watch without bracelet. For gold it would be 10000 more. That starts to be a sum indeed. i might wait for someone selling his as you rightly advised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted May 2, 2022 Report Share Posted May 2, 2022 "I’ve always only ever had gen watches, including gold Calatrava..." My life story Ha!... Have owned only one nice Patek, a mint condition manual wind cal 23-300 'Golden Ellipse' on the original integrated bracelet. I never wore it but my impression of the watch was it was a quality case/bracelet with a fragile, fancy movement (case work no better than the Gubelin above imho). I paid gold scrap price for it from a gold and diamond dealer in April 1998 and traded it even for a nib rolex 16233 with factory diamond dial in November 1998. Never owned a manual wind Daytona but owned a few chronographs with the V72. Sold them all in 1996/97, too cheap, too soon. Q...How did I get tangled up with replicas/Frankensteins? A...When RWC went full tilt 'No Parts For You!' I sold most of my modern 'trade and sell' rolex watches (quick set and/or sapphire) and kept a few vintage models, then went with replicas/steins to scratch the itch. Before that, I traded into and out of quite a few replicas at flea markets etc, mostly low grade examples. Still buy a genuine vintage rolex now and then if the price is right aka cheap. Last time I wore a genuine rolex for more than a day or two to check it out was probably 25 years ago. Now use a Bergeon 'Final Test' so I do not have to wear one. Last watch purchase from a rolex AD was May 1998. Next time is Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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