ajoesmith Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 http://watchwindersworld.com/omse10033-pla...bph-p-2472.html Looks exactly the same as the Eta version but with asian copy ETA @ 28800bph. Not bad at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenacious_b Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I am waiting on anyone to give some feedback on this movement.....I am thinking of ordering the black and white and the orange tomorrow....that would only cost slightly more than the swiss version 2006 dial that I already bought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 http://watchwindersworld.com/omse10033-pla...bph-p-2472.html Looks exactly the same as the Eta version but with asian copy ETA @ 28800bph. Not bad at all I got the same head's up from josh today. I'm not sure this is an ETA copy. It looks like an asian 21j bumped up to 28,800 bph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelotudo Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) I got the same head's up from josh today. I'm not sure this is an ETA copy. It looks like an asian 21j bumped up to 28,800 bph. Which is A.O.K. with me. Asian 21J has proven to be reliable so far with great pricing, with 28k beat rate I am even more pleased. I would like to hear some durability reviews though from teh elders. Edited January 17, 2007 by pelotudo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devedander Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I would love to see this start a trend of high quality Asian 21j reps... most of the basic watches I would be more than happy to have in Asian 21j... Also curious to see where the Asian ETA lable comes from on this as it doesn't appear to be ETA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Very interested too, but would love to hear something from our movement experts or even know the real name for the movement, so we will know exactly what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsv123 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I have only one thing to say... "Show me the rubber!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 An interesting yet at the same time worrying development. From the (one) picture of the movement it looks like a cheapened 2824 clone (microregulator has gone, for example) and NOT the Miyota clone or genuine Seagull movement we expect to see when someone says 'Asian'. How many of us who have received Ultimate POs recently are now tempted to pop the caseback and anti-mag core to see what's under there??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonthebhoy Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 A fake fake movement? Surely not? JTB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 A fake fake movement? Surely not? Well, Klink said it would happen....! I don't have a problem with it (and never have), as long as we don't get a repeat of the early days of the Asian 6497 when some of our dealers tried to pass them off as bargain Swiss.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 If they upped the beatrate just for the PO, they overdid it. 28,800 is as wrong as 21,600. Oh, and they really should stop using the term "Asian Copy Eta 2824-2". Much like they claimed the Beginmariner was a "Asian Eta 2813, 21600bph movt", they caused a lot of confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 If they upped the beatrate just for the PO, they overdid it. 28,800 is as wrong as 21,600. They haven't upped the rate. That is someone's interpretation of what the movement is ie. an 'uprated' version of the 21J Miyota copy, which it isn't. The 2892 was cloned (ST-18) and the clone had the same beat as the original too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 This would be a great buy, only if the hand sizes are ETA fit. If that's the case then I would junk the Asian movement and replace it with a gen Swiss 2892A2. That really would be an 'Ultimate' PO. We need to know more about the movement specs. If it turns out that it uses some odd-ball size of hands that really is a step backwards. For this reason I'd far rather have an old Asian 7750 (21,000) than the newer 28,800 7750 whch can't easily be swapped for the ETA version. One of my main gripes about reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 (edited) when comes the copy of copy from copy of copy from swiss movement??? so much copy but why? eta 2824-2 nickel cost in switzerland 35euro factory price from ETA. How much will cost it in asia and if you order 10.000? we need so much copy of copy from copy from copy from genuine???? Edited January 17, 2007 by tourbillon1801 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdkno Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I don't know if this makes sense or not so I will throw it out there and see what some of you guys think. From what I am seeing this watch is exactly the same as the "Ultimate" with a cheaper movement and $110.00 cheaper. Now lets say that the hands are the same and will fith the ETA 2824-2. If the "cheaper" movement lasts a year, then you replace it with a 2824 that you can get for around $70.00 you would still come out better in the end. Even if the hands aren't the same, could'nt you always just put gen hands in when you replace the movement, if you even ever have to that is?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 From what I am seeing this watch is exactly the same as the "Ultimate" with a cheaper movement and $110.00 cheaper. Depends on who you buy your 'ultimate' from. I got mine with ETA marked 2824 (I checked - microregulator and everything!!) for $25 more than this fake of a fake. Admittedly that was a special price because mine had a damaged pearl and I negotiated a discount, but still. This does seem like a good way to get hold of a uPO for a project, but if you just want a wearer I'd be waiting to find out more about the provenance of this movement as it is the first time I (and I am sure others) have seen it, especially when an already assembled ETA version can be had elsewhere for not much more. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I see this release as an attempt to divert attention from the fact that Trusty/Josh overpriced their ETA uPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadweller4000 Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) I guess that one's worth a try! I always hesitated to buy one because of it's size - but you can't go wrong a lot for a 150 bucks. By the way, isn't ETA restricting their range of product? The upcoming "fake" ETAmvts could be a reaction to that. Edited January 18, 2007 by Seadweller4000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 but why? eta 2824-2 nickel cost in switzerland 35euro factory price from ETA. Hmmm, current UK (Cousins) prices MUCH more than that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Lucky you - current Cousins (UK) prices much more... He was quoting the price Cousins buys it at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 He was quoting the price Cousins buys it at. Cosuins aren't buying them at any price at the moment as they can't get stock! This is the second sign I have seen that supplies of these movements are starting to be restricted. It would appear though that some people still have stockpiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Cosuins aren't buying them at any price at the moment as they can't get stock! This is the second sign I have seen that supplies of these movements are starting to be restricted. It would appear though that some people still have stockpiles. Ok, yes, I see what you mean. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 If they upped the beatrate just for the PO, they overdid it. 28,800 is as wrong as 21,600. Oh, and they really should stop using the term "Asian Copy Eta 2824-2". Much like they claimed the Beginmariner was a "Asian Eta 2813, 21600bph movt", they caused a lot of confusion. I agree 100%. It is not an asian copy of an ETA but it has the same function, fit more or less into the same hole/case and looks similar but not more more than that. Its just hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrickvilleboy Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I agree 100%. It is not an asian copy of an ETA but it has the same function, fit more or less into the same hole/case and looks similar but not more more than that. Its just hype. btw Gran, I remember you posted a whole bunch of seagull movements a while back, I recall seeing a similar movement to the 2836/2824. Maybe you can have another look at the seagull catalog and give us a heads up. thanks buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I remember you posted a whole bunch of seagull movements a while back, I recall seeing a similar movement to the 2836/2824. Maybe you can have another look at the seagull catalog and give us a heads up. Did you check here? http://jearle.free.fr/pugwash/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 @Marrickvilleboy Thank you for that my friend This is on of those movement threads: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=3760&hl=sea-gull SEA-GULL Movement thread link And Yes! also good old Pugwash knows his stuff well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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