luckyman Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 i plan on purchasing the normal one and the LV version.. i want to know what are the flaws on this one.. as i have sold my old rep sub and plan on buying these 2.. Wo-Mart's So Called Perfect Sub Wo-Mart's So Called Perfect Sub LV version thanks for your replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyp1 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 (edited) Im no expert but for a $149 I would not expect much. Something Ive noticed with all these cheaper subs is the is the poor print quality on the dial and date wheel. Edited February 7, 2007 by tonyp1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyman Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 well it was 399 but went down to 149 so that's why i'm tempted to buy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbj69 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 i think its just as good as any at the price range , the only much better ones r watchmasters and mbw ones they coast over double that imho for the money and u r not overly picky they r not so bad hope this helps joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyp1 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 (edited) Im sure some have had good luck with these. What you find is that on these cheaper Subs they dont have correct dials the printings very bad and theres no quality control. Edited February 7, 2007 by tonyp1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 flaws include shallow rehaut, crystal seal too thick and noticeable, crown too big, slightly oversized CGs (shave the inside and it'll be very very close to the gen's), bezel teeth slightly angled down, bezel pearl noticeably not like gen's (but neither is any other rep). Other than these, it's the best sub rep for the money, esp. it has a ETA. -bm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobs1971 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hmmm, not too bring up an old discussion again, but how ETA is an AUTOMATIC ETA 2836-25j? Isn´t the 25j just a Chinese copy of an ETA movement like the Asian 7750 is a copy of the ETA/Valjoux 7750?. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...9313&hl=25j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsterRider Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Im no expert but for a $149 I would not expect much. Something Ive noticed with all these cheaper subs is the is the poor print quality on the dial and date wheel. The dial print on my So-Called LV is excellent. I think it's one of the strongest points of the watch myself. As others have mentioned, there simply isn't a 'perfect' Sub out there. This one is no different. The rehaut is too shallow, the crown is a bit too big (but is one of the nicest crowns I've seen on a rep functionally), date mag is a bit weak (not quite 2.5x) and the case dimensions are slightly smaller than a gen (lugs are a tad thinner than gen, and the case thickness, minus the case back, is slightly thinner than a gen). The good points of this particular piece are case finish/construction, band construction, dial print and the ETA movement. The crown guards are probably one of the best out-of-the-box you'll find. Mine runs ~+3 a day and has a solid 40+ power reserve. It was also evident that the seals had been oiled on mine as well. Whether that means there was any service done to the movement, I don't know. Overall, I think it's the best sub-$150 dollar sub out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stac Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Agree Best bang for the buck HOWEVER, do not attemp to remove the bezel ring. These subs have a newer style bezel ring retension system. They do not "pop" off like previous models. Prying on the bezel ring will result in a bent ring and lots of woes...in other words, be happy with the crown guards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddhead Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 The dial print on my So-Called LV is excellent. I think it's one of the strongest points of the watch myself. As others have mentioned, there simply isn't a 'perfect' Sub out there. This one is no different. The rehaut is too shallow, the crown is a bit too big (but is one of the nicest crowns I've seen on a rep functionally), date mag is a bit weak (not quite 2.5x) and the case dimensions are slightly smaller than a gen (lugs are a tad thinner than gen, and the case thickness, minus the case back, is slightly thinner than a gen). The good points of this particular piece are case finish/construction, band construction, dial print and the ETA movement. The crown guards are probably one of the best out-of-the-box you'll find. Mine runs ~+3 a day and has a solid 40+ power reserve. It was also evident that the seals had been oiled on mine as well. Whether that means there was any service done to the movement, I don't know. Overall, I think it's the best sub-$150 dollar sub out there. Fine point.. IMO the date mag is probably ok, it is likely the rehaut and the chrystal that cause the distortion on the datewheel. I only mention b/c if that is true, the condition is not correctable with the case provided. Still it is a great watch for the money if the movement is truly an ETA. If not, you might also want to check out the noobmariner from TTK and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Paul's $149 sub and sub LV are two of the best deals out there. Yes, the dial print is good, date mag is fine, don't try to remove the bezel or you'll be sorry. I did manage to trim the inside cj edges on my Noobmariner (it's the same case and dial w/ an asian 21j movt) w/o removing the case tube or the bezel. Took the dial and movt. out, used masking tape and went slowly w/ a file in one direction and wet/dry sand paper and polish. The crown is too big, but Paul's has a real ETA 25j 2836-2 and that's what sets it apart from the Noobmariner and the Beginmariner. But they're all great watches at great prices. Some people just don't realize how lucky we are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyman Posted February 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 which one would you recommend? the normal or LV version? and is this the closest rolex rep out there? what about the Yachtmaster or Explorer.. thanks for your opinions and thoughts everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 (edited) correct hand-stack Explorer II is the best rolex rep out there. perfect bezel, excellent crystal height as is, better if bezel removed and reinstalled flush with case, perfect date mag, perfect date wheel position (on mine at least, every day is centered top to bottom, left to right correctly), only slightly off CGs, a little sanding on the side will make it close to perfect, unimaginably well modified 2836-2 movement that works like the gen, dial is sufficiently sharp and accurate, bracelet very very nice (nicer than noobmariner's, josh's sub), crown centered top to bottom on case. Read my post "RBJ modified Explorer II, Perfect". Andrew, EddieLee, Paul, and possibly Ruby got it. -bm Edited February 8, 2007 by bklm1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 for 16610 sub, looks like you need a mbw or tw best to be satisfied. what happened to the sub you got for $38? Mod it and it'll be as good as any other sub rep will get. -bm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 This sub looks pretty decent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwinner Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Thanks for all this feedback. Very usefull for me as well now that I'm tempted to buy a Sub myself as well... Up till now it has been mainly Panerai's and IWC's but finally I am also looking for the 'most-wanted' rep around. Personally I was thinking of buying Angel & Jay's Sub on www.silix-prime.com. To be specific, it's this one: http://www.silix-prime.com/product.asp?id=1212 It's only 115USD and also has ETA inside as well as sapphire instead of mineral. Dimension: 40mm x 48mm x 12mm Movement: Autmatic ETA-2836 Dial: Black Bezel: Black Case: Stainless steel Strap: Stainless steel, with hollow mid links and solid end links Glass: Sapphire crystal Water-proof/Water-resistant: Yes Does this watch have the same issues? What aboutfontrehautcrowncrown-guardsdate-wheelpearl.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I got one and you can find pics and comments here... http://www.rwg.cc/members/My-So-Called-Bes...00--t21180.html Cheers Stephane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrain Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I recently got Paul's "Perfect" LV sub. You can see my pictures and brief comments here: My LV sub from Paul Not a bad choice, IMHO. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rower Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 This sub looks pretty decent Sure it looks ok on top of the water...but will the windows fog up it gets into a shower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Paul's $149 sub and sub LV are two of the best deals out there. Yes, the dial print is good, date mag is fine, don't try to remove the bezel or you'll be sorry. Alligoat - What is the problem with the bezel that you cannot remove it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fendi Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 These might be a silly questions but i couldn't find it under search, do reps have the correct number of days to each month or do you have to wind the date forward? Also, when buying a rep, how do you go about getting the wrist strap to fit properly, is this somthing can be done easily at home, or does it have to be taken to a shop. Sorry for threading jacking. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmilian Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 The datewheel has 31 days on months with lesser days you have to adjust the date manual. To rezise a oyster band you just need a small screwdriver, its done in 2 minutes. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Alligoat - What is the problem with the bezel that you cannot remove it? I don't know what the problem is, other than people have tried to remove the bezel and it isn't easy. In fact, it's so difficult, that alot of people have bent the bezel. If you're trying to change the insert, you might do better to remove the crystal, and then pop off the insert and put the new insert on w/o removing the bezel itself. I'm not aware of anyone sucessfully removing and reinstalling the bezel on these CN 2006 cases (Noobmariner, Beginmariner, Paul's Perfect, EL's...). If someone figures it out, it would be nice to see a tutorial! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 i think its just as good as any at the price range , the only much better ones r watchmasters and mbw ones they coast over double that imho for the money and u r not overly picky they r not so bad hope this helps joe Who is "watchmasters" and who is carrying MBWs these days? I see the MBW reference a lot but never see any of our mainline dealers offering an MBW version. /Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 I don't know what the problem is, other than people have tried to remove the bezel and it isn't easy. In fact, it's so difficult, that alot of people have bent the bezel. If you're trying to change the insert, you might do better to remove the crystal, and then pop off the insert and put the new insert on w/o removing the bezel itself. I'm not aware of anyone sucessfully removing and reinstalling the bezel on these CN 2006 cases (Noobmariner, Beginmariner, Paul's Perfect, EL's...). If someone figures it out, it would be nice to see a tutorial! Read about this problem in another thread. Just curious, has anyone tried a bezel remover tool on these buggers yet? Just wondering if the proper tool is any more successful than just a case knife. /Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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