Shasta Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 (edited) I aqquired this movement from a local shop, at some expense, this weekend. But the more I look at it, the more it bothers me. Namely there isn't any stamp on the bridge, under the balance. Plus the collar on the balance jewel doesn't have any slots. Am I seeing phantoms where there are none? Or do I have reason to be upset? Heres a couple pics for the experts to pour over... Edited February 12, 2007 by Shasta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetterdawg Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I aqquired this movement from a local shop, at some expense, this weekend. But the more I look at it, the more it bothers me. Namely there isn't any stamp on the bridge, under the balance. Plus the collar on the balance jewel doesn't have any slots. Am I seeing phantoms where there are none? Or do I have reason to be upset? Heres a couple pics for the experts to pour over... gen. How much did it cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovepanerai Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 most definitely fake the bridge engraving on the genuine movement is much smoother - if the seller sold you as gen, ask for your money back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shasta Posted February 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 most definitely fake the bridge engraving on the genuine movement is much smoother - if the seller sold you as gen, ask for your money back Can't say I agree on the engraving. I compare side-by-side with gen and the engraving looks the same. In fact, heres an image of known gen at about the same mag and it looks just as rough as the 1 above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovepanerai Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Can't say I agree on the engraving. I compare side-by-side with gen and the engraving looks the same. In fact, heres an image of known gen at about the same mag and it looks just as rough as the 1 above... I rest my case - look at the letters and judge for yourself - as I said yours pictured in the first post is a fake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wan Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 The first pics you posted are fake............Gen movements are all sandblasted or brushed finish with polished looking letters..............I hope this helps. Wan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epanoui Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Shasta the first pics you posted is definitely fake.. look at the second pic you posted, how smooth the letters are etc... It's plain as day the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 most definatly 100% fake. sorry to give bad news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 On the bright side its the better grade of fake movement, its swiss, or is that "swiss" but either way its not the lower grade chinese one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Yeap.. definately a fake... If you have seen from close the finish of the gen movements you can understand the fakes from a mile away p.s. You can see how clearely and well defined are the PANERAI PANERAI PANERAI on the movement bridges.. they are like they were engraved by a machine perfectly while on your closeup picture they see to be very very rough. PLUS the pattern of PANERAI PANERAI is not correct.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 You're right. I missed the pattern issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallguy83 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 To top it off, it's asian. Look at the balance wheel. The asian copies have the flare on each spoke where it meets the outside of the wheel. Genuine ETA/Unitas 6497 don't have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maikel Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 FAKE...those three screws should be flat not bold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 This looks like a real conglomerate movement: Asian 6497-2 parts. Parts from the Swiss/Asian G-Series #1 movement (dagger regulator), plus parts from the Swiss/Asian #2 movement (needle regulator). It's actually quite unique...the first replica 6497-2 G-Series that I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 Now Shasta where did you find this movement and how much you paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 balance wheel is to small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted February 13, 2007 Report Share Posted February 13, 2007 balance wheel is to small Balance wheel looks like a 6497-2...it's smaller than the slower beat 6497-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochenbrau Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 :velho: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dak244 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 He seems to have disappeared now that hes movement was outed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ta8088 Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Hmm but he's reappeared again it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 gen. How much did it cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Look at the shock protection, it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shundi Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Allegedly he tried to sell this movement as a gen... if that's true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieG Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Engraving is too fat, shock protection is wrong for the series & the dagger shape is wrong. I'm going with fake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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