Willith Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Well, most of us have heard of Dirk straps, named after the fine gentleman who makes them Dirk Grandry. He never thought to trademark his own name for the straps he made. Well, someone else did and is using him name now to market his own line of crap, I mean straps: Link to Paneristi How low do you have to be to take another man's name and use it to make money under false pretenses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariusp Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Wow, that's a pretty good read. Outside of that discussion, the question I have is this, I can't have a gen strap to go with my rep? According to the Risti's, that's bad form. My thing is I just want a nice strap, or bracelet for my watch, regardless of what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Yeah Rob but don't forget that according to a lot of people around here Elliot's a real nice guy........a crook.......but a nice guy Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehtolcad Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 it must be difficult to [censored] off as many people as he does. also i am right there with whomever it was over there that said that 'as soon as his next 40% off special comes around he'll have all the sheep singing his praises' (paraphrased) and i love how they call him E-Hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dariusp Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I've never bought anything from him, I just like to instigate. "E-Hole", clap, clap, "E-Hole", clap, clap.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 How low do you have to be to take another man's name and use it to make money under false pretenses? About as low as shark shit- and thats low. Seriously ethical businessman->NOT Offshore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I assume this will effect his business in a negative way. Can`t imagine why anybody wants to do business with such a lowlife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I assume this will effect his business in a negative way. Can`t imagine why anybody wants to do business with such a lowlife. Hey whoa, your forgetting about the 40% off sales and even better all his free give aways, I mean like theres a lot of guys that will tell you the sun shines out of his E-Hole because of his suck suck sales. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Hey whoa, your forgetting about the 40% off sales and even better all his free give aways, I mean like theres a lot of guys that will tell you the sun shines out of his E-Hole because of his suck suck sales. Ken I gather from your reaction and correct me if i`m wrong, you are not an Elliot fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leitztozeiss Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Where is proof of a trademark application or registration of Dirk's name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I gather from your reaction and correct me if i`m wrong, you are not an Elliot fan? Lets just say I will never turn my back to him. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehtolcad Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 notice to veni: trademark 'veni straps' immediately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) The whole watch industry is about copy and paste anyway. Btw, that's typical Ameraican way to do business. Every coporation in US is doing similar thing. Sorry if you don't like it. Edited May 25, 2006 by cwai02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willith Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Where is proof of a trademark registration of Dirk's name? Though it burnt my fingers to type in the URL for you here's a link: Notice the little tm ? I know it's hard to see, but you can see the registered trademark symbol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willith Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 The whole watch industry is about copy and paste anyway. Btw, that's typical Ameraican way to do business. Every coporation in US is doing similar thing. Sorry if you don't like it. Aren't you part of the Elliot Fan Club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Where is proof of a trademark registration of Dirk's name? This is a point I was about to make. Other than the fact he has written 'TC Dirk TM' on his website, I have found no evidence of this actually being trademarked. This looks a lot like 'passing off' - it's possible even against non-trademarked names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leitztozeiss Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Though it burnt my fingers to type in the URL for you here's a link: Notice the little tm ? I know it's hard to see, but you can see the registered trademark symbol. Where is the word Dirks at the TC Straps site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willith Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 It looks like a lot of people on the Panerai forums are leaving VP and moving for good to Paneristi: Paneristi Link... I met the guy that started this thread, pretty cool guy and has (or had) a nice Mare Nostrum. I guess there aren't a lot of people who are on Elliot's side on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willith Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Where is the word Dirks at the TC Straps site? Do a search for "Dirk" on there and it will appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willith Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I'm a fair guy, so here's Elliot's post on his site to explain why he did what he did. I'll give you a hint it revolves around $$$$$: Elliot's Explanation It doesn't look like his explanation is going over very well there either. If you go into the main forum there are more threads dealing with this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevomd Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 i've been following the threads a the VP and P site today. Very interesting read. I don't want to take sides on the previous E situation, but it does look more and more like he has made a miscalculation on this one. Eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leitztozeiss Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Yes, found it. Bastard. According to Wikipedia, TM is not a registered mark. It is a claim of right in the mark that is couched in use of the mark in commerce. The real Dirk should probably register his "Dirk" name in connection with his straps. He should still be able to, and he has the longer history of use of the name connected with watch straps. I love Wikipedia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) Aren't you part of the Elliot Fan Club? Aren't you part of the Elliot Enemy Club? Unfortunately that you can't make unbiased statement. There is no buddy between me and Elliot, but definitely no enemy. I never understand why would people hate someone that they have never seen to such an extent. Well, I will buy from him when he posts a good deal. That's it. All these fans vs enenmy thing are just childish. So if I don't follow you guys to beat the hell out of Elliot, then I become Ellit's fans? Come on. ..I am not here defending Elliot's ass. Actually I don't even care about what has happened in the past. It is definitely unethical if Elliot stole the dirk's name and trademarked it. (MAybe someone can prove it?) But this happens too often in the real business world. In fact, the whole watch industries copy around and that was my point. I am sorry that you have to view it from a biased angle. So I guess, from now on, everyone has to start the sentence by, "Elliot sucks...and...blah blah blah..." Never underestimate the hatred of a person behind computer. Don't you think you guys are wasting too much time to bash Elliot? Can we spend more time on watch? I guess we don't come here for BS like that. I don't see the title of the forum being "Elliot Enemy Group" Edited May 25, 2006 by cwai02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leitztozeiss Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Reading on in WIKI, "unregistered trademark rights may be enforced by way of a lawsuit for passing off, while the exclusive rights which attach to a registered mark can be enforced by way of an action for trademark infringement." Clicking on 'passing off' in the article: "Passing off is a common law tort which can be used to enforce unregistered trademark rights. Passing off essentially occurs where the reputation of party A is misappropriated by party B, such that party B misrepresents this reputation and damages the goodwill of party A. The law of passing off prevents one person from misrepresenting his or her goods or services as being the goods and services of the plaintiff, and also prevents one person from holding out his or her goods or services as having some association or connection with the plaintiff when this is not true." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Btw, if DIRK was actually the first name of that guy, I believe he can appeal it in court. Anyway, isn't Elliot's trademart "TC Dirk" instead of "Dirk?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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