Nanuq Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Which is the perfect match for a GMT, the jubilee or oyster bracelet? Just to make a certain someone happy, I fitted a folded links oyster to my GMT and took a comparison shot. What do you think? Jubilee Oyster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 I have to say, I'm a bit biased on this one, as I've been around DJ and DD's all my life with Jubilee bracelets only...so any of the "sportier" models, I always associate with the Oyster bracelet. BTW...your vintage collection is mind blowing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Oyster looks like a better match to my eyes, but the jubilee seems to be the 'in' way to wear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_urabus Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 jubilee.. no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) Just to make a certain someone happy, I fitted a folded links oyster to my GMT and took a comparison shot. What do you think? Obviously I'd first have to say that "someone" clearly has superb taste Secondly, such a lovely shot for the Jubilee campaign but why such a quick and dirty pic for the Oyster? (hmmm, been reading the "Robert Mugabe Book of Democracy" have we? ) Well no surprises that I'm an Oyster man through and through - no offence intended but I see Jubilee-lovers as banjo-playing, sheep-worrying, nylon-wearing, Vegas-slot-playing throwbacks. N - seriously, if you really can't stand the sight of that infidel folded Oyster on your beauty, then you could always send it on a little transatlantic trip Edited November 12, 2007 by docblackrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank7502 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 The Jubilee band was standard issue when the GMT was first given out to PanAm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 The Jubilee band was standard issue when the GMT was first given out to PanAm. Not true. PanAm and Alitalia approached Rolex waaay back in '53 to commission the GMT Master. The 6542 was borne followed by the 1675. All on Oysters, first rivetted then folded. It wasn't until the early '70s that a Jubilee became available as an alternative to the Oyster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank7502 Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 I stand corrected!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carl Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 I really like the jubilee..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Hmmmmmmmmmm. So would a riveted bracelet be appropriate for a '64 GMT? I may be able to stomache that easier than the ghastly folded oyster. Hmmm, '64, yes I believe you could pull that off, same as you could drop a gilt dial and 'small' GMT hand. Right now, gorgeous as she is, you have a '60's watch with a '70's bracelet with an (almost)'80's dial. Of course, that's merely a purist opinion, you spec her however you like. "Ghastly" you say? We can't have you suffering like that, no no. You know what you have to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) The interesting thing is that '64 was a big transitional year in the evolution of the GMT, a LOT of changes occured both cosmetic (CG's, dial etc) and internal (switchover from c.1565 to c.1575). So you could swing both ways, kick with either foot, bat for both teams etc. heh heh... Me, I'd go as early original as I could get away with. You know I saw something interesting for you earlier, just have to dig it out, hold on.... Ah, here it is.... Rolex GMT-Master ref. 1675, cassa con spallette a punta, prodotto nel 1964. Quadrante nero glossy con grafica oro e minuteria chiusa, definito "tropicale" per la tonalit Edited November 12, 2007 by docblackrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmg Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Which is the perfect match for a GMT, the jubilee or oyster bracelet? Just to make a certain someone happy, I fitted a folded links oyster to my GMT and took a comparison shot. What do you think? Jubilee Oyster Why does it have to be either or??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsons Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Nanuq, on that beauty, the jubilee all the way. You can always sport the 1665 or 5508 is you miss the oyster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 i'm w/ doc on this one -- my preference is for the folded link oyster as well. for whatever reason the jubilee bracelets just look cheap to me deltatahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Not true. PanAm and Alitalia approached Rolex waaay back in '53 to commission the GMT Master. The 6542 was borne followed by the 1675. All on Oysters, first rivetted then folded. It wasn't until the early '70s that a Jubilee became available as an alternative to the Oyster. Actually, that's not true. At least in respects to 1675 (not 6542). I can agree that it appears to generally be true. But with all things Rolex, nothing remains today or in the past, entirely true. Here's circa '60 Pointed Guard 1675 with 1565 and original to the watch Jubilee: And here's circa '66 1675 with 1575 with original Jubilee: For 1960s 1675, Jubilee remained somewhat more common in North/South America and Asia whereas Europe tended to have more Oysters. And there was good reason as to why many preferred the Jubilee. The 1st generation 20mm Rivit Oyster was the dreaded stretch version which was an INSANE hair puller. Anyhow, Juan Trippe requested that the PanAm watches be fitted with Jubilee due to the trouble with the stretch Oyster, and later due to the non-stretch Rivit stretching badly only after wearing one for 1 year. The public followed their beloved Boeing pilots and requested Jubilees. Interstingly, the GMT-I was the only sports model to sport (for lack of a better word) a Jubilee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 It's not possible to make a non-Pointy into a Pointy because the non-Pointy is lacking some metal where the Pointed Guard would begin its more relaxed slope. And, the Pointed Guard is larger on the underside than the non-Pointy. Somewhere on one of the drives I have some comparison shots I took. It could take me years to find them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Funny enough, I prefer my 1675 on leather. I admit that I go through periods of a few months at a time where I slap on a rivit Oyster. The same goes for the original Jubilee. I don't quite know what I'm saying! Ok, I do. What I meant to say was that I like my 1675 on whatever I feel like slapping on. The watch looks great and feels great on any 3 combinations. The Oyster is the most plain looking and it makes the watch look like a plain ol' ubiquitous Sub. The Jubilee is really unique. The leather makes the watch look like a cheapo Lucerne or Buler dive watch. Or does it? The 1675 is the best watch in the world. I really do think so. Ok, it's one of the best watches in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 The light catches the midlinks on the jubilee bracelet much nicer... definitely I vote for the jubilee on this just because it is a nice contrast, elegant bracelet to sporty watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Oyster definitely. Original or not, I don't like the Jubilee on a GMT. My old man had his GMT on a folded Oyster. How about that? It's flimsy as hell though... but SO "Rolex". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Jubilee. At least for the Coke. It adds life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Nice Coke vic! And so many nice pics. GMT is the finest Rolex ever made. It's actually quite amazing that the 1675's haven't become more collectible than they are. While I understand the attraction of the DRSD and red 1680, they are no match to 1675. GMT is much more fascinating watch (imho). I think buying one now could be a good investment in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Nice Coke vic! My football-loving dad calls it his Flamengo. Rubro-negro. GMT is the finest Rolex ever made. Strong opinion from a solid Rolex expert! I wonder if Stephane would agree? BTW, I wasn't much for the GMT. It seemed fussy. I've TOTALLY changed my mind. It's perfect. My father absolutely adores his rep, and I think I'll sell some stocks to get him a gen for Christmas...might be a lean 2008 for me, but anything to make my dad happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Thanks vic. I'm not a Rolex expert though. Ubiquitous, Eunomians and Nanuq are experts. I'm just a fan. I know the modern Rolexes (GMT, ExpII, Sub, SD) quite well, but the vintages... not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 That watch is a carnivore... it needs teeth. Rivet Oyster... the real man's preferred dipillitory device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Actually, that's not true. At least in respects to 1675 (not 6542). I can agree that it appears to generally be true. But with all things Rolex, nothing remains today or in the past, entirely true.The 1st generation 20mm Rivit Oyster was the dreaded stretch version which was an INSANE hair puller.Ah I knew Euno would weigh in on this with his mk I '60's Jubilee. Very interesting, especially as I have never seen or come across one of these vintage Jubilees over here in EU. I don't have FACT to back me up here, as simply none exists, but I have it good authority that this is one of those times when Rolex bracelet detail splits in two onto diverging paths. Early Jubilee were almost exclusively produced for the US (and possibly Asian) markets (same as the C&I bracelets), whereas Europe remained steadfastly Oyster. Possibly one of the reasons for this is that as I said earlier, a European national airline (Alitalia) was an original stakeholder/'interested party' in the commission of the GMT, yet for whatever reason did not follow through on order. The GMT 6542 became quite literally the PanAm watch (both pilots and the rare white-dialled ground crew version) and the rest is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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