Greystash Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 (edited) I Edited December 26, 2007 by Greystash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swdivad Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I'm with yu all the way Greystash... I have a gen Omega SMP Pro Blue (2220.80) and it feels... just so much better than the Sub... or the seadweller for that matter You can always read what the 'experts' say here: http://www.rolexreferencepage.com/smpvssub.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greystash Posted December 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Thanks guys. Swdivad, I actually read that article a few times before I bought the SMP this year. Now that I look at it again the stand out to me (and I am well aware of the irony of what I am about to type) was the Gen Sub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 You know what that cheap feeling bracelet equates to? Comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tech Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 While I can't speak for the Omega...I can share a similar experience with the rolex sub.... I already own a Two Tone Sub and always wanted a regular Stainless Steel model....So, last year, I bought a used one off one of the guys over on TZ....to make a long story short...I was very disappointed...it felt very light, cheap and just not at all what I had expected. I compared it to the reps that I had and was extremely let down by this gen....no fault of its own...as I had "built" up the watch in my mind and when I finally had it...total letdown...not trying to put it down...just my experience with Sub... Luckily for me...I sent the watch back to the seller as he offered a "no hassle 3 day return policy" and I received my money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greystash Posted December 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 You know what that cheap feeling bracelet equates to? Comfort.Hey Pugwash. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Hey Pugwash. How so? The light and flimsy bracelet of both the Rolex sub and several Seiko sports watches are amongst the most comfortable of the steel bracelets. The comfort of the Rolex bracelet is due to the good design and lightness of the parts. Also, the fine-tuning on the clasp means you're not stuck with it being too tight or too loose. The good replica Subs are very good at replicating the feel of the bracelet, leading to a few people complaining unduly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greystash Posted December 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Thanks Pug, that brings back a little of the magic. Yes I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narikaa Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 @ Greystash Your mistake was in 'idolising' the cheap, dated pos in the first place which naturally hyped you into aticipating otherwise. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greystash Posted December 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 @ Greystash Your mistake was in 'idolising' the cheap, dated pos in the first place which naturally hyped you into aticipating otherwise. .Hey, don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I bought a MarcelloC NettunoII some years back.... afterwards I was in the AD looking at the SD... Boy, was I glad I bought the MarcelloC... Best bang for the buck I've ever bought in a watch!! This review is for the Tridente... but it goes for their fulll line of dive watches IMO: http://articles.pmwf.com/index.php?/archiv...ERM-REVIEW.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 You know what that cheap feeling bracelet equates to? Comfort. There is truth to this. The Sub is probably one of the most "tool" oriented of the "tool" watches by Rolex. So, being something that is supposed to be used...a lot...and hard...it is designed and exists as a reliable piece that you don't really notice is there until you need it. Unlike a larger piece like an Omega UPO...those feel like you have something substantial on your wrist which may make you think you don't have something cheap on. If you want a "luxury" feel, most people equate this with "heavy" and big...then go for the uber-bling of some of the ugly jewelled piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greystash Posted December 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 There is truth to this. The Sub is probably one of the most "tool" oriented of the "tool" watches by Rolex.Thanks for that Toadtorrent, this point did occur to me after Pugs comment on the weight. It certainly has redeemed the watch somewhat in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4GTR Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 (edited) The good replica Subs are very good at replicating the feel of the bracelet, leading to a few people complaining unduly. And even the least informed, can call out rep subs in seconds usually saying something along the lines of "lol this is definately fake, the bracelet is light and cheap feeling. It's definately not real." Does anyone else see the irony in that the quality of the replication, becomes its own demise? Edited December 26, 2007 by P4GTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Hey, if you get tired of it, I'll trade it for any two reps in my collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greystash Posted December 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Does anyone else see the irony in that the quality of the replication, becomes its own demise? Heh, that's a clever point P4GTR. Hey, if you get tired of it, I'll trade it for any two reps in my collection. Ha, thanks Pug I'll keep that in mind. Don't get me wrong I actually really admire both watches a lot. It would seem my disappointment however was based on a misunderstanding of the Sub design. I still may in the future 'go all in' and buy a Sub atm though, I can't go past the beauty of this Black gen SMP that I am wearing right now. In fact I just sized and attached a secondhand gen bracelet to it so that I can put the original bracelet away and keep it in mint condition for any possible future sale. Would you like to have a shot at explaining the pointy CG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I'll concur that the Submariner is a lightweight, unimpressive $5k watch at the AD. Side by side with a Planet Ocean it feels like a toy. I'm sure the objective was to keep it light and comfy, and many people will appreciate this. The bulky, large dial watches seem to me to be a fairly recent fad and one that is not likely to drive Rolex out of business or towards radical design changes any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Yeah, I love any Rolex bracelet, especially old rivet Rolex bracelets myself... but you'll hear a bunch of pansies cry about them pulling hair too... I just put a new Rolex Oyster on my work beater Invicta Mako... The Invicta bracelet was nice, felt a little heavier, and the clasp didn't last a week at work... the Oyster isn't really that much lighter, but it FEELS lighter and wears much better, even though the Invicta is basically a high quality copy of the same thing... Much more comfortable over the course of a long day at work. And I don't how Rolex does it, or what the real engineering difference is, but I DO KNOW, it works for me. Of course, having a decent movement is a nice thing too... Something a few newer Omega Swatches have been falling down on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 I'll concur that the Submariner is a lightweight, unimpressive $5k watch at the AD. Side by side with a Planet Ocean it feels like a toy. That's too true. However...add the gold into the equation and it's much heftier as in the TT version. Some folks will take their "accurate" hollow mid-links bracelet and knowlingly make it LESS accurate by replacing it with a solid mid-links in order to add heft, claiming that althought it isn't as accurate, "it just feels better". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 From what I've read, I'd definitely say that bracelets are the msot complained aspects of Rolexes. From my own experience of handling one, I wasn't impressed, and wanted something which felt more 'substantial'. In terms of mechanical build quality, yes, as Pug mentioned, it is incredibly adjustable, but, I'll never be convinced that thin stamped metal has any place on a watch costing as much as a Rolex does. Omega, Panerai, Vacheron Constantin, they all use more solidly-engineered clasps, which give the watches a mroe 'substantial' feel. I admit, it's just a matter of personal preferences, but it does appear to be something of a concensus, or, at the very least, a frequently repeating point of discussion Given the differences in marker/hand size, I'd go for the SMP everytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Dudes in Aus you're either a Holden or a Ford guy, and I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule as always but really your either an Omega guy or a Rolex man. Rarely both. Yonks ago I really wanted a Speedmaster and boy was I disappointed when I finally got one on my wrist. It felt to light an cheap and the experience put me off for life and I moved over to the other side. But I agree that the SM's are very heavy and appear to have more substance. A friend of main show me his new Gen seamaster at the weekend and even though it was a mid size number it felt heavy and inflexible the strap felt stiff and uncomfortable. But it was a solid number. Made up the rubbish quartz movement inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tracy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I'm with yu all the way Greystash... I have a gen Omega SMP Pro Blue (2220.80) and it feels... just so much better than the Sub... or the seadweller for that matter You can always read what the 'experts' say here: http://www.rolexreferencepage.com/smpvssub.htmlGreat article Swdivad,... I agree,.. Smp all the way ! There is also something more serious about Smp, that the Sub has lost, with it's emphasis on the illusion of the 'Status Symbol'..which has made it the most replicated, or worn by dorks with cash but no sense of style, individuality and diving experience only as deep as their hot tub,.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greystash Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Dudes in Aus you're either a Holden or a Ford guy, and I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule as always but really your either an Omega guy or a Rolex man. [sNIP] I can't say I'd agree with that, I would like to own the Sub as well as my Black SMP and I like both watches for different reasons. If I could justify paying the price of two of these 2254's to buy one Rolex Sub, I would buy one. I'm a fairly pragmatic person however and I just can't see the sense in it, out side of the investment potential. [sNIP]A friend of main show me his new Gen seamaster at the weekend and even though it was a mid size number it felt heavy and inflexible the strap felt stiff and uncomfortable. But it was a solid number. I have found the speedy style bracelet to be very smooth and comfy and easy to forget about, it is heavy though and I guess sosme people don't like that. [sNIP]There is also something more serious about Smp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) Greystash, you might find this an interesting read Omega Seamaster vs Rolex Submariner A fantastic review, and the one which opened my eyes to Omega as a brand. Where it not for the release of Casino Royale at the time I read the review, I'd've bought the 2254.50 instead of a Planet Ocean. The only reason I haven't bought one since, is that I've given in to my PAMophelia and wouldn't wear it, although I suppose I'll probably get one for the collection at some point in the future Edited December 31, 2007 by TeeJay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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