jeroen1985 Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Hi all, After a long wait and sending a third replacement, finally I received my UPO from Joshua. Today I openend the watch to see if it's really a ETA. Look at those pictures. I don't see any ETA number engraved. Is it a chinese copy of an ETA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Looks like you have a really nice, high quality chinese copy of a 2824-2, which has damascening to approximate the treatment of a real Omega Caliber 1120, which is a derivative of the 2892, which is kind of considered the 2824's older brother. Again, Nice movement. However, I'd wait for a response from The Zigmeister before I considered this opinion of mine authoritative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robj Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Chinese engineering at it's best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen1985 Posted May 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Is the quality lower then an real ETA ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 (edited) Send it back (again). It isn't what you paid for (ETA) and the resale value of your watch just halved. When he used to sell this watch with an asian movement it sold for $128. Ask him to refund the difference. Edited May 18, 2008 by andreww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robj Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 The quality of these Chinese clones seems to be fine. There are loads around with the ETA stamp as well so ETA stamp is not the be all and end all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Stamp is not 100% proof of being ETA BUT no stamp is 100% proof that it is NOT ETA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_urabus Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 If it not what you paid for, either ask for a refund for the difference, or send it back... if it is cosmetically OK then I would try the refund option... good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perry563 Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 You paid for swiss eta. Thats NOT swiss ETA! Send it back and ask why you were scammed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Dealers are justifying charging close to $300 for non chrono eta watches by blaming the current shortage and rising eta prices. You have paid a premium for something you didn't get. I would also be interested in his response to this. It is quite likely that he had no idea what was inside the watch, after all, he doesn't individually inspect every watch does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Send it back (again). It isn't what you paid for (ETA) and the resale value of your watch just halved. When he used to sell this watch with an asian movement it sold for $128. Ask him to refund the difference. Totally agree.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 One thing to always watch with replacement from the the big dealers... In my experience they are usually either repaired watches, older versions(before dial changes etc) or lesser versions (mineral instead of sapphire, asian instead of swiss). This has happened to me many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJay Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Just goes to prove what I've been saying. These "trusted" dealers are getting comfortable with their popularity. DSN and Josh have been praised on the boards so I chose them when buying my first reps here. After reading all their praises, I was confident I would get quality watches. Here's what I got....... Bought 5 Pre-Vs from DSN, of which only 1 was usable. Problems ranged from having non-Pre-V style cases, stuck levers, ARC, loose movements, stripped screws, and more. Here's one I couldn't open the lever and has a loose movement (note the gap between the crystal and dial) it also has the single screw Vendome case with small crown guard. BTW, the use of tubes is impossible because the screws are too thick. Here's a vintage GMT from Josh. The date wheel is not centered and the markers are too shiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I would defiantly ask for a partial refund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRasta Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 At least you didn't find any pubic hairs.....yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyd3 Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 At least you didn't find any pubic hairs.....yet You find the pubis once in a while because they work naked to maintain the sterile environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Just goes to prove what I've been saying. These "trusted" dealers are getting comfortable with their popularity. DSN and Josh have been praised on the boards so I chose them when buying my first reps here. After reading all their praises, I was confident I would get quality watches. Here's what I got....... Looking back over the years,,,the majority of reps I've had from the various dealers here were totally unacceptable for the money I spent. The money I spent on reps was by far the biggest personal waste of money ever. And I NEVER seem to learn,,,,after all of this I just spent around 400 on another rep! only to have the bracelet break within an hour of it on the wrist. It literally went flying across the table at lunch. I guess I just like this forum, the people here are very interesting and it's a very good forum even if reps are IMO,,,,a big waste of money (sorry). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 if we DONT make the dealers aware tht we are checking and telling them its NOT ok to get away with it , then it will continue to happen and become common place. So i agree ask for an adjustment in price since it truly isnt what you asked for. its like paying the premium for a genuine rolex and getting, well an extremely well made replica : ) shouldnt happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannou Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 if we DONT make the dealers aware tht we are checking and telling them its NOT ok to get away with it , then it will continue to happen and become common place. So i agree ask for an adjustment in price since it truly isnt what you asked for. its like paying the premium for a genuine rolex and getting, well an extremely well made replica : ) shouldnt happen Agree..and I will wait for the answer from the dealer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I hope the dealer will offer a price adjustment to all of those that didn't open the case back up??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takashi Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I won't be very fast to jump into conclusion to blame the dealer. I don't think it's very practical for any dealers to open every single caseback before shipping. Either they themselves are conned by the factory without having knowledge that it comes with non ETA movement or, less likely, are purposely conning you. Let's see what the dealer reply is and should give him some time to make it right. PS: I will pick this movement over rusty/old real ETA movement but hey that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magagne Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I hope the dealer will offer a price adjustment to all of those that didn't open the case back up??? I don't trust dealer anymore, even them with good reputation... they commit to much error...specially drop shipper. All of you who never open your watch, you can be victim of scaming, from the factory and/or dealer. For me, it's the same, cuz the dealer need to do his homework and need to be sure of what he sell, and I'll blame the dealer for these kind of error, always. So dealer, don't try to drop the fault on factory. Sorry I needed to vent ... this kind of error happen too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Oh yes, let us know how much this watch costs (paying the asian movement price) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 What did you pay for it? If the watch cost $300 or more, then I would be very upset, if it were me. I would email the dealer straight away! However, if you paid $200 or less, then I say if the watch has a good dial, clean hands and is generally free from defects etc.... Keep it and be happy, I bet it will keep perfect time Either way you should really contact the dealer and let him know you are unhappy about it.... EDIT: Soon this type of movement will be all we can get..... Bye, bye ETA, but will it mean bye, bye to the higher ETA prices? I bet this type ETA of clone movement, will still carry the same price premium.... At least they will if the dealers/factories think they can get away with selling them as Asian ETA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I won't be very fast to jump into conclusion to blame the dealer. I don't think it's very practical for any dealers to open every single caseback before shipping. Either they themselves are conned by the factory without having knowledge that it comes with non ETA movement or, less likely, are purposely conning you. Let's see what the dealer reply is and should give him some time to make it right. They know - there are almost no real ETAs left, almost all asian copies - still don't know what the justification for the new pricing is, i think its out of control. one of the easy ways to tell is if the backshot of the watch on the website doesn't show the movement, but just a caseback - if you notice josh's template, he'll show the movement - when he doesn't - those watches usually become the subject of these types of threads. I have said since the start of these discussions that there is NO EXCUSE for selling asian copies as ETA. - if it only happened once and a while you could call it a mistake or a factory problem - but, even Silix, who promised to pay a purse of $1000 to anyone if they received an asian movt instead of an ETA. i remember someone coming forward, and i don't remember hearing about the payout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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