Guest carlsbadrolex Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Just read the past 4 pages, and am surprised that no-one has mentioned the CARBON EMMISSION TRADING SCHEME. What do you think prices in general are going to do when every country has to pay or trade for the carbon they burn. Kevin Rudd is in Japan now signing our lives away. Estimates so far here in Oz. are 30 BILLION $ per year ( This is just Oz. ) BHP Billeton has just re-negotiated the price of iron ore to the Chinese for a 95 % price rise . Were [censored].... Oops, sorry... YOUR [censored]! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capice Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 and I thought Holland was exspensive with almost $9/gallon....sorry Pug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodwc Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Were [censored]ed.... Oops, sorry... YOUR [censored]ed! This is one big boat WE ARE ALL IN. If anyone thinks it`s bad now,................ give it 12-18 months then say the same, You will be wishing it was like NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Hi All, A very interesting thread on a topic I have been thinking about recently as I am sure many of you have. Here are my thoughts on the repercussions of high fuel and therefore power prices i.e. gas and electricity 1) Good - For all the campaigning the tree hugging, sandal wearing greenites have been doing, I believe that the high cost of power will be the biggest cintributor to people going green and cutting their carbon footprint 2) Bad - The cost of many goods we take for granted will rocket. Why ? Many cheap goods come from the Far East. The cost of transporting these will soon be prohibitive and therefore their price will rise 3) Good - As cheap far eastern goods rise in price, comparable to domestically produced goods, there will be more demand for domestic products, creating jobs - note though, that many western countries have lost their manufacturing capabilities so it is not all good Finally, for those that haven't seen it and to get another perspective on our changing world, spare 6 minutes and watch this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I don't give a shit about myself as I won't live more than 30 or 40 years more. But I'm feeling terribly bad for my children (and even more for their future children). Gaz is an issue but how about water? The world will have to learn new ways of living and stop burrying their head in the sand. The soonest, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mentalist Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I plan to stick two fingers up at rising oil prices by buying one of these when they come out: http://autoreview.belproject.com/item/19 157mpg! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 General Motors Volt...! is the future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 soon 2 Euro per litre in Germany - i guess i walk tomorrow morning the 50m to the bakery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lanikai Posted July 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 maybe it's just coincidence ... but for the last 3 shipments ..express has taken much longer than normal.. are they scaling back flights also ?? a parcel that alway's took no Longer than 5 day's express to arrive at it's destination.. took 8 day's .. and parcels from china that took 4 to 5 day's is taking much.. much longer these last 2 weeks I'm just wondering if this is a sign of things to come ... everything is being scaled down.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsterRider Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 So you need a V10 to get you 440miles each day? The US is not that diffrent then europe not all of europe is small and compact. And pleas public transport is overrated in europe belive me delays whit 20-30min or hours are likely to happen many many times a week on all sides bus,train,subway so getting late to work 2-3times a week is a recipe to get fierd. I dont see a V10 as a bad thing to be honest, you can brew your own gas etanol that will not only give more horsepower but also 100%green and clean But i do think the dea or ATF!? will ask you about somethings. Yes, I need a V10. No, I don't commute 440 miles every day (I make the trip from Pittsburgh to WV/KY about once a week). The truck is necessary to tow the logging trailer and also, quite simply, to get to the job sites. These sites are on lease roads cut into the WV and KY mountains. No smart car will get you there. Some of the guys on the rigs have diesel trucks and run a combination of biofuel and diesel. If/when I go to a diesel, I'll probably give that a try myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsterRider Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Wow!!! What a great thread. I agree with JZ completely. According to a major oil Co. CEO who said "$100 oil isn't justified by the physical demand in the market - it has to be speculation on the futures market that is fueling these high prices. Oil and gasoline markets contain loopholes for traders, and the markets are inadequately policed by regulators under current law. As a result, the current market prices are greatly influence by the speculators well beyond the simple laws of supply and demand. Of course the Oil companies would love to subvert the blame in this way. They still play a major part in this of course. Whats even crazier, despite their record profits, the government continues to provide to oil and gas companies with tax giveaways and subsidies of $7.5 billion Last time I checked, the oil companies profits were in the 8-10% range (you can look this information up yourself as their profit margins are posted in most business publications). That is in line with any other major corporation. There are a lot of costs involved in finding, recovering and refining oil. These companies spend in the trillions on discovery efforts alone. The costs for simply upgrading/expanding current refineries can cost hundreds of millions. The record profits are from record consumption. It's not some grand conspiracy by the oil companies, it's simple supply and demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Yes, I need a V10. No, I don't commute 440 miles every day (I make the trip from Pittsburgh to WV/KY about once a week). The truck is necessary to tow the logging trailer and also, quite simply, to get to the job sites. These sites are on lease roads cut into the WV and KY mountains. No smart car will get you there. Some of the guys on the rigs have diesel trucks and run a combination of biofuel and diesel. If/when I go to a diesel, I'll probably give that a try myself. Ok, i as said don't mind a V10 i see some can have the need.. I hope we can drive etanol cars in the near future in Europe for cheap, i woud hate for ferraris to say weeeeeeeeeeeeeee insted of vroooooooooooom Pedestrian deaths will be more and more common if EL cars comes more and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMZ Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 General Motors Volt...! is the future... If GM can stay above water...they are sinking quicker than the Titanic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tintin Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 The US is not the nicest place to live..I em sure its good but i have never seen it on top of any chart when juding best place to live.. i have seen my country their for about 5years running We fell ass backwards into an oil well, we got lucky. When i lived in US we had better doctors, better education, safer cars, better just about everything. Back in Norway i am paying for all the loosers to be happy, and loosers love Norway. We are getting more and more of them as we continue to nurish mediocreness, but we will continue to place high on charts in many years to come, not to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijor Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I have seen the future and it is not the internal combustion engine. Electric powered vehicles are on the way but how about air power. Coming to Europe next year. Check this out. This gives me hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZZAMAN1 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 1,5 eu Lt diesel fuel in italy with the lowest salaries of EU zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted July 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 1,5 eu Lt diesel fuel in italy with the lowest salaries of EU zone But some of the most Beautiful Women in the World...... so man... ya can't have everything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star69 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 i walked this morning to the bakery, saved 5 Euro and feel much better :D seriously - you guys in the US are sooooo lucky with your still extremely cheap gas prices ! Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 We fell ass backwards into an oil well, we got lucky. When i lived in US we had better doctors, better education, safer cars, better just about everything. Back in Norway i am paying for all the loosers to be happy, and loosers love Norway. We are getting more and more of them as we continue to nurish mediocreness, but we will continue to place high on charts in many years to come, not to worry. Yes but when you see who is in goverment have can things get better?? Immigrants love Norway they can after being here for 5yr if playing their cards right get a home worth 650k$ for free while etnic Norwigan kids can't even buy a small 30 square meter apartment.. Trust me i don't love all things about our country its a weak ass country that shout ups every time the gov whant to tax more or stab us in the back,like whit the disel cars Their is almost no viking blood left in Norway we are going more and more towards Sweden in terms of pussy'nes. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Immigrants love Norway they can after being here for 5yr if playing their cards right get a home worth 650k$ for free while etnic Norwigan kids can't even buy a small 30 square meter apartment.. Trust me i don't love all things about our country its a weak ass country that shout ups every time the gov whant to tax more or stab us in the back,like whit the disel cars Their is almost no viking blood left in Norway we are going more and more towards Sweden in terms of pussy'nes. Cheers Hi Dani, I feel for you. The UK is very much the same. Glad to hear we are not the only ones suffering. Immigrants here get free health care, free housing and money on top, and then they go and get jobs paying cash and make double the money !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnG Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 I have seen the future and it is not the internal combustion engine. Electric powered vehicles are on the way but how about air power. Coming to Europe next year. Check this out. This gives me hope. How about a BICYCLE???!!! When did everyone get so lazy? I hope gas goes to $10/gallon by 2010. That should get people off their fat asses and out of their Escalades. Then it will be my turn to laugh. By then I will have my house finished, my rep collection topped off, and I won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolex001 Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Well I really hope you are not stupid enough to have an oil combustion heater in your house. But if you are swinging such nice and pardon me silly talks, I am sure you use other energy methods. Ever thought about people having to travel +50 km to work, probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnG Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Well I really hope you are not stupid enough to have an oil combustion heater in your house. Nope, not THAT stupid. Ever thought about people having to travel +50 km to work, probably not. I think about them about as much as they think about me. For the greater part of 15 years I have never lived further from my work (or worked further from my home) than I could get to comfortably on a bicycle. Everyone makes choices and for me those choices must necessarily included a realistic assesment of the future and about what constitutes responsible conduct in the context of a rapidly changing world. Others can do as they please, but let Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omni Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 I think in relation to Lanikai's original starter post in this thread, this article that appeared today is telling for us here on these tiny dots in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. High inflation and high housing & living costs has taken a toll on Honolulu, Oahu where the island showed a decrease in population from last year. Sign of the times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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