9/11

[Stephane]

As the title says.

My thoughts go to New York and the USA this morning.

Warm regards,

Stephane

[milsub5517]

yes... i cant believe this 7 years and still no answers.

[Shundi]

God bless those who died and all those affected by the events of 9/11

[Nanuq]

Ah, thank you Stephane. I know exactly how you feel. I work in the field of national security and that was an ugly day. A lot more happened on that day that has not been reported... I don't relish those memories.

Let us pray there will never be another attack like 9-11.

God bless those "rough men who stand ready to do violence on our behalf."

[HauteHippie]

A couple tributes.

http://www.tributewtc.org/index.php

http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/media/tribute/tribute.html

[triplehd]

Many thanks Stephane and lets remember all of those whos lives have been changed to cowardly sense of violence and terrorism.

[archibald]

All of us in DC, NY and accross America have so much to mourn today: Thousands of lives cut short by cowards, followed by a tremendous opportunity to marshall the world to defeat them utterly squandered, exchanged for a failed attempt at consolidated of political power, financial gain for a very few, the settling of a family score, and the disdain of the world. Here's to truly serving the memory of those who died: let's trade the failed sideshow of the last seven years for an real doubled effort to get the f****s who actually attacked us.

[ubiquitous]

Never forget...

[Corgi]

I remember seeing the images on the television; it feels like yesterday. The sadness that overcame my soul still remains - and will continue to remain - until every last person responsible for this crime is brought to justice. No words can even begin to describe what the victim's families must feel; all that can be done is to pray that an act of such magnitude never occurs again.

[tmg]

Amen and a moment of silence.

[southcoast68]

All of us in DC, NY and accross America have so much to mourn today: Thousands of lives cut short by cowards, followed by a tremendous opportunity to marshall the world to defeat them utterly squandered, exchanged for a failed attempt at consolidated of political power, financial gain for a very few, the settling of a family score, and the disdain of the world. Here's to truly serving the memory of those who died: let's trade the failed sideshow of the last seven years for an real doubled effort to get the f****s who actually attacked us.

My thoughts exactly!!!!!!!

[Feta1]

All of us in DC, NY and accross America have so much to mourn today: Thousands of lives cut short by cowards, followed by a tremendous opportunity to marshall the world to defeat them utterly squandered, exchanged for a failed attempt at consolidated of political power, financial gain for a very few, the settling of a family score, and the disdain of the world. Here's to truly serving the memory of those who died: let's trade the failed sideshow of the last seven years for an real doubled effort to get the f****s who actually attacked us.

Amen archibald!!!! You hit the nail right on the head!!!

Thoughts and prayers to all affected by that tragic day...

[LordRasta]

Growing up in NYC, I lost a couple of friends from high school that fateful day. My father was supposed to be at a meeting and by the grace of God, my mother was running late and when they got to the city, the first plane had already hit. He railed and bitched about being late until they SAW the second plane hit the second building. He hasn't been the same since...

[Watchman]

It was a sad day and nothing could ever justify that horrific act of violence. I recall our former foreign minister J. Fischer saying on that day "The world will never be the same from this day on". And it was true:

The world has become a place where civil rights are being sacrificed on the altar of false security and we have a new concept of enemies which led us to new wars and justifications for those. In the state of fear that the western world (not only the US) has been in since then we have started to accept very simple answers to very complex questions. To quote G.W. Bush: "the reason the terrorists hate us is because they hate freedom".

Shame on those who commited this abominable act of violence, shame on those who condoned it and shame on those leaders who back then and today misuse our concern and fear for holding their people hostage in that state of fear.

[BIGPOCKETS]

We as the rest of the world were & still are in disbelief of the events of September 11.....

I was in NYC (when there was that HUGE power outtage)a few years ago & visited ground zero.

I didn't have a camera but wrote down in my diary the words on the plaque erected to all those who lost their lives & all the other lives affected by the events.

In my memory & prayers are the people of NY who, I am sure have grown closer together....

All our thoughts & prayers are with you from Australia....God Bless!

[milsub5517]

more than 600,000 Iraqis (link) were killed in Iraq by 2006 as a result of American "liberation", including thousands of innocent children and women who have nothing to do with this stupid war on "terror". Who is going to pray for them? 3000 americans were killed on 9/11, you do the math...

in any case, this was a crime against HUMANITY , a horrible crime... i will pray for the innocent.

[Watchman]

Mil_sub, as much as I agree with you regarding the stupidity,cynism, ill judgement and disinformation that led to the war in Iraq you simply cannot offset one body count against another. This math leads to the kind of old testament justification that will get even more people killed in the end. And I am sure that the people killed in Iraq or Afghanistan are being mourned for as much as the people who died on 9/11.

[mjmurphy926]

God bless this land and the souls that lost their lives on that day and continue to do so today.

When I travel to NYC on business I usually stay at the Marriott Financial. Here is a shot I took a couple of years ago from the top floor of the Marriott of ground zero:

A few more shots from the same trip:

And my favorite:

[milsub5517]

i hope we dont see similar event happen again.

[JohnG]

Watchman, but this is exactly whats happening. For some reason americans think that one american life is more important than 10 iraqis, lol. Most do not care how many more Iraqis get killed in this war.

Hey how about NOT turning this thread into a stage for more of your non-stop America bashing. Show a little [censored] respect.

[mjmurphy926]

For some reason americans think that one american life is more important than 10 iraqis, lol. Most do not care how many more Iraqis get killed in this war.

This summarizes the attitude of the americans as a nation, im rich, i do whatever i want and if you dont like it.. then f u! LOL

Don't you dare tell me what I think about anything!!

You don't have a [censored]' clue what I'm thinking!!

Take it somewhere else.

Not in this thread...Not on this day.

And that's all I'm going to say to you on this subject, so don't bother trying to bait me into anything.

[HauteHippie]

Full list of the names of the 9/11 victims: http://multimedia.nydailynews.com/pdf/2007...ims_of_sept_11/

[HauteHippie]

NY Daily News Article "We Must Always Remember"

We must always remember

Terror attacks were an act of war, not simply a tragedy to be mourned

By DEBRA BURLINGAME

Tuesday, September 11th 2007, 4:00 AM

Six years ago, I turned on my television and saw the sickening image of an airplane flying directly into the south tower of the World Trade Center. I did not know that at precisely that moment, somewhere in the skies over the Ohio-Kentucky border, my brother was fighting for his life in the cockpit of his commercial airliner. It would be another 35 minutes before his plane crashed into the Pentagon's west side.

Though the term "9/11 family member" had not yet become part of the Sept. 11 lexicon, my first thought upon seeing the plane turn and slam into the World Trade Center was of the pilots in the flight deck and the added sorrow that their families would have to live with for the rest of their lives, seeing this video.

Until I was notified of my brother's fate, I was no different from everyone else that morning, horrified and overwhelmed by the shocking scene unfolding in lower Manhattan. After learning that people were jumping from the towers, I believe I began to depersonalize what I was seeing.

The human psyche can absorb only so much. Anyone who had been inside the World Trade Center towers or seen them upclose knew that jumping from that height was like leaping from the clouds. The day was only beginning.

A recent newspaper article suggested that the 9/11 commemoration "decibel level" should be "scaled back." Mourning the dead too loud and too long impinges on the living, the article said. Life goes on. I wouldn't disagree. But it is extremely important to distinguish between public mourning and public remembering; otherwise, the phrase that was as ubiquitous as the American flag six years ago, "Never Forget," and invoked with tearful or angry rectitude, is rendered hollow. We all meant it, whether the cause was revenge, retribution or simple recognition of our common humanity.

None of us wants this to happen again, but as time goes by, why can't we all agree, as we did then, about what took place that day?

There is a disturbing phenomenon creeping into the public debate about all things 9/11. Increasingly, Sept. 11 is compared to hurricanes, bridge collapses and other mechanical disasters or criminal acts that result in loss of life, with "body count" being the primary factor that keeps it in the top spot of "worst in the nation's history."

Misremembering is as dangerous as forgetting. If we must know one thing, it is that the Sept. 11 attacks were neither a natural disaster, nor the unfortunate result of human error. 9/11 wasn't the catastrophic equivalent of a 3,000-car pileup.

The attacks were not a random actof violence or insanity. They were a deliberate and brutal act ofwar committed by religious fanatics engaged in Islamic jihad against the United States, all non-Muslim people and any Muslim who wishes to live in a secular society. Worse, the people who perpetrated the attacks have explicitly told us that they are not done.

Sept. 11 is a date that comes and goes once a year, but "9/11" is with us every day. The body count keeps rising - Bali, Riyadh, Istanbul, Madrid, Beslan, London, Amman.

We now clearly know that the 1993 World Trade Center bombing was part of the holy war against America. When we previously dismissed this as a random attack by crazy men and declared ourselves lucky that "only six lives were lost," we effectively disarmed ourselves. Eight years later, six became 3,000. While the comparison to other "tragedies" may help us cope with what has befallen us, we must resist being glib and intellectually careless.

Our fellow human beings were not "lost" in 1993 or on 9/11. They were torn to pieces. We must not give the enemy any quarter. We must confront the reality of their acts.

We must refuse to be fooled by their propaganda, which is meant to appeal to our own moral vanity - the belief that we can appease them by responding to their outrageous demands for accommodation, their open threats and their hateful rhetoric with even more forbearance.

Several months after the Sept. 11 attacks, I was asked to look through a thick, three-ring binder put together by the FBI, a catalogue of objects - photographed and numbered - that were the unclaimed personal effects of the 184 victims who perished at the Pentagon. They included things such as buttons, uniform insignia, house and car keys, wedding rings, shoes, personalized coffee mugs and, saddest of all, a miniature, hot-pink luggage tag with a flowery design meant for a little girl's travel bag.

These mundane objects, the commonplace detritus of lives cut short, were deeply moving to see, perhaps because they were not some grand eulogy or noble tribute, but simple reminders of the fact that people like you and me went to work or boarded those planes on that lovely Tuesday morning, never dreaming that this was the last clear blue sky they would ever see.

Perhaps it is human instinct to turn away from suffering that goes on too long. We should celebrate life rather than wallow in grief. But we should vigilantly guard against self-delusion and denial as a means of coping with the terrible reality that we all lived through six years ago. There was a reason that we felt unified then.

The horror of what we experienced, individually and together, stripped away all the things that divide us today. We clung to each other, forgave each other, and were kind to each other, knowing that, in the end, we would only persevere together. Today of all days, that is something we should never forget.

[mjmurphy926]

Excellent article chief...Thanks for posting this.

[yellomen]

All of us in DC, NY and accross America have so much to mourn today: Thousands of lives cut short by cowards, followed by a tremendous opportunity to marshall the world to defeat them utterly squandered, exchanged for a failed attempt at consolidated of political power, financial gain for a very few, the settling of a family score, and the disdain of the world. Here's to truly serving the memory of those who died: let's trade the failed sideshow of the last seven years for an real doubled effort to get the f****s who actually attacked us.

So true!!

When it happened i was shocked, when the USA went for those responsable i felt that was the right thing to do... but Bush fucked it up going to Irak and creating an extra 4,000 deaths and economical disaster for the average American.

It's better to focus on what really happened and go for those responsable... and never forget how far Al Quaida goes to damage their opponents.