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I really don't think the majority of those taxes go to funding schools. In most States the tax on your residence as a homeowner is where schools taxes come from. The taxes you mention go to solving issues created by the users. A lot of cigarette taxes go to health care cost and almost all of gas taxes go to maintenance of our road system. They are considered user fees, just like a tax on guns and ammo would be. Those that want a culture of having guns readily available to any nut job should be willing to pony up and help pay for a system that would protect the rest of us from them.

Who do you think is going to pay for all these armed officers at every school that the NRA is recommending. Obviously, our taxes are. Now the discussion is who should pay. Should we all collectively pay or should the people that are creating and benefitting from the problem pay the cost.

I haven't heard anything about any confiscation of existing large magazines, just banning the sale of new ones. Unless maybe if you live in NY.

Great idea. Instead of the gun and ammunition manufacturers putting so much money into funding the NRA, maybe they should use a percentage of sales to pay for the armed guards in schools that the NRA is upporting. Of course, this would never happen voluntarily.

Apparently that's the amount of money from "corporate partners", not the total of all revenue. Here's how "they" calculated it: The report, Blood Money: How the Gun Industry Bankrolls the NRA, reveals that since 2005 contributions from gun industry "corporate partners" to the NRA total between $14.7 million and $38.9 million. Total donations to the NRA from all "corporate partners"--both gun industry and non-gun industry--for the same time period total between $19.8 million and $52.6 million. The vast majority of funds--74 percent--contributed to the NRA from “corporate partners” come from members of the firearms industry: companies involved in the manufacture or sale of firearms or shooting-related products. This is also relevant: The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections. And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments. Whatever it is, the figures show that the NRA is firmly in the pockets of the gun industry, Just as a goodly portion of the Republican party is firmly in the pocket of the NRA. It's a big merry-go-round of money, like everything else in Washington DC.

In Australia, a shooting massacre in 1996 prompted the government to ban the sale of semi automatic guns and buy back those in circulation, and require gun purchasers to register all weapons under their own names. Gun deaths there dropped 59 percent over the following decade, with not a single mass shooting since. Slate.com

Forbes: The NRA’s main answer—arming our schools—didn’t work at Colombine High School, where two armed guards “were outgunned by the assault weapons wielded by the two teens” who attacked their school, said Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, a research and advocacy organization focused on gun-control. The two officers on hand fired at the shooters but were unable to slow or stop them. Once again, all BS since the VPC is involved, I guess. The Nation: The National Rifle Association portrays itself as an organization that represents “4 million members” who simply love the Second Amendment. The truth is much more murky. In reality, the NRA is composed of half a dozen legal entities; some designed to run undisclosed attack ads in political campaigns, others to lobby and collect tens of millions in undisclosed, tax-deductible sums. This power has only been enhanced in the era of Citizens United, with large GOP donors in the last election reportedly funneling money to the NRA simply to use the group as a brand to pummel Democrats with nasty ads. (As The Huffington Post’s Peter Stone reported, even the Koch network now provides an undisclosed amount to the NRA.) Despite the grassroots façade, there is much evidence to suggest that corporations that profit from unregulated gun use are propping up the NRA’s activities, much like how the tobacco lobby secretly funded “Smokers Rights’” fronts and libertarian anti-tax groups, or how polluters currently finance much of the climate change skepticism movement. In a “special thanks” to their donors, the National Rifle Association Foundation lists Bushmaster Firearms Inc., the company that makes the assault rifle reportedly found with the shooter responsible for the mass murder today in Newtown, Connecticut. How much Bushmaster Firearms Inc. (a firm now known as Windham) contributes is left unsaid. The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections. And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its pro–gun industry policy positions as ideological commitments. The reality is all out there. Alll you've got to do is read it.

So, as usual, you didn't make any comment about the facts of the report or the 74% of their money that comes from the firearms industry. Just because you disagree with their position certainly doesn't make the facts that they reported either incorrect of wrong. All you did was belittle the messenger which is no way to win a debate.

As usual, it's just more pro gun BS that you're regurgitating. I'd strongly suggest you read the report: "Blood Money: How the Gun Industry Bankrolls the NRA." The report found that between 2005 and 2010, contributions from gun industry "corporate partners" to the NRA totaled between $14.7 million and $38.9 million. Total donations to the NRA from all "corporate partners" -- both gun industry and non-gun industry -- for the same time period totaled between $19.8 million and $52.6 million. The vast majority of funds -- 74 percent -- contributed to the NRA from "corporate partners" came from members of the firearms industry: companies involved in the manufacture or sale of firearms or shooting-related products. Many of these "corporate partners" are honored in the NRA's Ring of Freedom, with the Golden Ring of Freedom "reserved for those who have given gifts of cash or assets to the NRA totaling one million dollars or more."

Bingo! And, of course the pro gun extremists would feel that registering guns would be the first step towards confiscation.

No, but apparently sometimes their children do. Ooops!

Wow! I see you were apparently an eye witness. You saw all this stuff happen that nobody else did.

As for the another part of Maxman's post. Turns out the alleged swing at a bus driver was from a Twitter post by one of his friends and never confirmed by anyone. http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=91584 "how come the bus driver hasn't come forward to confirm this and didn't press charges? how come no one has come forward to confirm any of these stories?? this is a big media case, if any of this had any substance, surely there'd be at least one opportunist in the crowd who wants to use this for their 15 minutes of fame or make a quick buck. zimmerman's old co-worker sold him out. how come no one's sold trayvon out? how come no one reported the jewelry stolen? and zimmerman had no way of knowing anything about trayvon, and no screwdrivers or jewelry were found on him at the scene."

Pardon me if I'm skeptical of anything I see posted on the Internet that has nothing as a source. Relative part of his alleged record as described in the Miami Herald: In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious.” Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” — an acronym for “what the f---.” The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker. Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald. Word of the incident came as the family’s lawyer acknowledged that the boy was suspended in February for getting caught with an empty bag with traces of marijuana, which he called “irrelevant” and an attempt to demonize a victim. Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds. Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend. “Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend. Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation. A lawyer for the dead teen’s family acknowledged Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but said the family knew nothing about the jewelry and the screwdriver. “It’s completely irrelevant to what happened Feb. 26,” said attorney Benjamin Crump. “They never heard this, and don’t believe it’s true. If it were true, why wouldn’t they call the parents? Why wasn’t he arrested?” Trayvon, who was a junior at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School, had never been arrested, police and the family have said. “We think everybody is trying to demonize him,” Crump said. No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen. “Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by schools police. That suspension was followed four months later by another one in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.” The punishment was the third for the teen. On Monday, the family also said Trayvon had earlier been suspended for tardiness and truancy. Trayvon was shot to death Feb. 26 while serving out his suspension in Sanford, where his father’s girlfriend lives. A neighborhood watch volunteer called the police to say he saw someone in a hoodie who looked high on drugs, and was suspicious because he walked too slowly in the rain. The unarmed teenager carried Skittles and iced tea, and was talking to his girlfriend on the phone, records show. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

I'm not afraid of the Government and the bogus "Socialism" threat. Total nonsense in my opinion and an invalid reason to "need" an assault rifle. What concerns me more is what's going to happen if "Global Waming/Climate Change" is an actual fact, Should these changes happen even faster than predicted, there will be global chaos and mass starvation with enormous poplulation shifts from one area to another as the population centers dry up and run out of water, the coastal areas become uninhabitable and the farm belt turns to another dust bowl. That's the only fear that I have and hopefully I'll be planted in the ground before it becomes an eventual reality. But, at least I would find that as an cceptable reason to own military type weapons. I also find it strange that it's mostly the same extreme right people that believe in every other conspiracy theory, that refuse to believe in Climate Change, other than it's actually based on real science.

I learned the hard way about those sorting machines when sending a rep crown out to a member. Same thing, he got the envelope ripped with no crown. And I had the crown between two pieces of cardboard. No money exchanged hands but I learned not to ship items in envelopes made for letters.

That's pretty amazing that he was shot 5 times in the head and neck and still drove away. She was obviously well trained and a damn good shot. That's also the proper use of a weapon for home defense and I don't think anyone here would disagree. Now, can you also justify George Zimmerman chasing down and killing Travon Martin!

I was actually speaking of the previous 7 pages of this thread. I don't believe I heard that from anyone here on the side of more control over assault rifles. That argument is about as vacuous as calling marijuana a "gateway drug" leading to crack. Obviously you could find one person somewhere to back up any point. No one in the current administration has spoken a single workd about confiscation that I know of. Maybe you could enlighten me. And to the poster that said earlir that it's just as easy to reload 3 times with a 10 round clip as it is to shoot 30. Well, it turns out that when Gabby Giffords was shot and the 9 year kid also died, the shooter was disarmed when he tried to re load his weapon after shooting 33 rounds. Seems like a lot of damage and possibly a life could have been saved if he only had a 10 round magazine.

The true read herring in this whole argument is that the NRA, the gun lobby and it's sympathists consistantly hammer on the point of the government coming in and taking our weapons. There has never been any talk from anyone about the confiscation of existing weapons. If you're going to continue this thread forever can we just keep to reality and drop the NRA talking points about the government taking (confiscating) our weapons. Let's try to keep it somewhere close to the truth.

Appareantly it does limit the rights based on type of weapon. Otherwise fully automatic assault rifles would be legal. If your logic really held water, we should be able to drive around with a 50 caliber mounted on the back of a pick up truck.

I'm really not against any guns, even assault rifles. If everyone were as intelligent and sane as myself, my friends, and, I assume, those posting in this thread, we wouldn't even need to discuss it. What is scary to me is the "other people", the crazies, the criminals, and in particular so many of today's youths that seem to be growing up with no parental guidance, no compassion or regard for others, and those that would as soon shoot you as argue with you. Why is it that today every ghetto youth and gang banger feels the need to carry a weapon? It's just crazy. We had a case just a couple of weeks ago where 3 thugs decided to break into a Highway Patrolman's house because they thought they could steal his weapons. They ended up shooting his German shepard police dog 5 times. Seems like every week someone is getting killed in a nightclub brawi or robbery and they are getting closer and closser to my neighborhood. If it takes gun control and a little stepping on the 2nd amendment rights of these whack jobs to get rid of some of them, so be it. I'll still have my shotgun and hunting rifles and no, I don't feel the need to keep an assault rifle for protection. When the local police complain about being outgunned on the street, they aren't talking about a bad guy with a Remington 30-06 with a scope. They're talking about the fools with AR15's and Tech9 type pistols.

What are you preparing for, The Zombie Apocalypse? I you can't stop an intruder with five shots, or in a handgun it's usually around 9 shots, you've probably already lost the fight and are dead. Personally, for home protection I'd much prefer a semi-automtic 12 gauge shotgun than an AR15. My point, exactly. And when the Founding Father's wrote the Bill of Rights, a military rifle was a musket that fired a single shot. A gun was a gun and a rifle was a rifle and neither had the firepower to take out a school classroom or an audience at a movie theater. Nobody's trying to take away all our guns. The only talk has been regulating assualt rifles and hi capacity clips. Why can't any of the staunch gun lovers accept that simple fact instead of going on and on about the repeal of the second amendment and our God given right to bear arms of any kind. We regulate fully automatic weapons but you take the exact same rifle and change 2 or 3 parts and it becomes legal. Most any soldier with combat experience will tell you that fully automatic is next to useless for killing anything.

There are several different size crowns and tubes. It might be easier and safer to just buy them both at once, other wise you may end up with different threads on the crown side. I'm currently looking for a crown for a SSD and I've got 3 different old ones that don't fit the existing threads. BKLM1234 is one possibility if your're in US.

Tough to answer how to fix a movement when you don't even specify which movement you have. 21j or eta/clone? If 21j, the movement is only about $35.

Bet you anything it's mineral glass. That's a nasty scratch for sapphire.